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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:40 am 
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this looks like probably the same party:
http://bardsong.weebly.com/index.html


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:00 pm 
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You have heard "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is." and then, sometimes you will miss the boat if you don't leap. I wonder if it is worth the $150.00 to check it out.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:18 pm 
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Geez, that's quite a stack of parts. Maybe Martin had a storage unit somewhere and forgot to pay their bill.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:38 pm 
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Verhoevenc, without a doubt I can see a pro as your self would have no interest in a kit.
I had way too many screw ups on my first build, so I think for me it might be a wise move to take a couple of steps backwards. I should have started with a kit first before a scratch build. There might have been a smaller fire, fewer expletives, a calmer shop and a nice guitar.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:03 am 
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I just ordered a bunch of stuff - necks w/blocks, backs & sides & a top.

I'll let you know how it goes. Should have it by the end of the week.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:36 am 
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What does a kit like that go for new? He did say that those were seconds, though probably fine for anyone except those who demand the very finest in cosmetics.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:58 am 
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jfmckenna wrote:
What does a kit like that go for new? He did say that those were seconds, though probably fine for anyone except those who demand the very finest in cosmetics.


I have seen them start in the neighborhood of $450.00 - $500.00 starting price. It seems to depend on the wood and how far the progression of the build. I would guess around $700.00 but that is an off the wall guess. I just checked (Stew-Mac 5295 Dread. Mahogany, dovetail neck $441.00) I was close.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:00 am 
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Martin kits are "seconds".

There are varying degrees of seconds and the kits that Martin sells are on the better end of the scale - cosmetic blems, off quarter neck grain, pin knots, etc. They sell for between $350 & $450 plus shipping from Martin. You can go to their site for exact pricing.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:22 pm 
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As Kevin said, all Martin kits are "seconds" and the ones linked here seem to be attractively priced. Personally, I think building a kit (or kits) is a great way for someone to get started. That's what I did and I've taken each subsequent build a step or two closer to scratch. After four guitars I've now done everything but cut the neck joint and I plan to tackle that task on my next one. This approach has worked well for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:48 pm 
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I will let you know what I think and post pics. I just bought the $150.00 set. I hope I get a real nice set...This is my B-Day present to myself...lol [:Y:]

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:32 am 
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I've found on my scratch build that I have easily sunk over $150 on the "guts" of the guitar and hardware. This sounds like a decent deal even if you are only looking at it for the parts.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:30 pm 
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So I received my parts today.

Overall, I am very happy.

Here are some pics.

The back & side sets have some mineral streaks, a few tiny worm holes, and some grain compression.
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The Sitka top has a little chunk out near the to of the rosette.
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The necks are all off quarter, a little ding here & there, and one has a glued up heel that is not a great color match.
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I feel these will be great for gaining experience without stressing about the materials.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:43 pm 
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I just ordered some odds and ends, so I hope I end up as happy as Kevin.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:54 pm 
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I was just going to report back that I got my package today. And I am happy. I got 3 uncarved neck blanks (One had a comment penciled about rift grain out of spec. I assume the others were similar issues, but looked good to me.); 3 fingerboards; 2 sound boards (looked fine to me, a little color variation), I also got a herringbone rosette and matching bent purfling (he actually sent two sets of the purfling). He told me he would throw in some extras. The extras were: some bone for nuts and saddles; plenty of fretwire for the three necks; 8 EIR head plates, and some of the basic black binding.

looking at Kevin's tonewood purchase, I wished I had asked about that, but I already have plenty for my slow rate of production.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:43 pm 
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Like I said previously I ordered the $150.00 guitar, the gear came in today (3 days after ordering)…I am very pleased. Shawn of Bardsong said he would give me some extras; he came through with flying colors. I ordered 1 guitar and with the exception of the neck I received 2 of everything, enough to build 2 guitars. I will get pictures up shortly.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:20 pm 
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Well it is not great photography, but here it is. I think most is self explanitory.

Binding and fret wire
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Soundboard back.
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Soundboard front.
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Kerfing, Braces, Heal and Tail blocks.
There were two packages enough for two guitars.
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Back close up. It looks like there are waves in the wood.
Kind of like beach sand after the tide creats ridges.
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Back set #1.
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Back set #2.
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2 sets of sides.
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Finger board w/ binding and frets. MOP markers.
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Head w/ flaw writen on tape.
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I got the tenon and mortis. He also had dovetail for extra money.
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Neck and truss rod, there was 2 extra head plates like the one on this head.
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Extra fret board.
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Well I rumaged through the box before tossing it...Very Glad I did. I found a third bag with 6 ea. Martin Machine heads, 3 ea. 5" bone saddles, 3 ea. bone nuts, 1 rosewood bridge and another 10' of kerfing. (kerfing is in 5"-10" pieces) 2 ea. nice figured head plates and 3 ea. bridge plates.
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I think for A buck fifty I came out pretty good.
Do I need to take better pics?

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:44 pm 
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you did awesome !

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:37 pm 
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Agreed! Those are good deals. Now get busy and have some fun!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:39 pm 
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I'd like to thank everyone for all the nice reviews of my parts and kits. I have a very large supply of these items and am still selling kits from 150-250 and parts priced accordingly. I try to point out all flaws as they do exist but are very workable. Again, thank you all very much.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:25 pm 
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Hey Shawn,

Payday I will be ordering more bro. Awsome deals.

Happy as a Lark,

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:25 pm 
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OK...here's the problem. I am a woodworker for 30 years...furniture. My son ( age 29) is an avid guitarist (I was when younger)...he has a Martin 00, '64 Epiphone and several electric guitars. I thought it would be cool if I took on the project of building him a nylon string guitar to add to his 'stable'. Seeing what this fella has, I was wondering if there is anything I could use to build my #1 guitar? I wouldn't know what to ask or order... If he doesn't have anything for a nylon...then what would I ask for to get a nice full size steel string? The price is perfect for me to 'start' my new pasttime building guitars...
Please guide me...


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Is this guy away? I emailed him a couple days ago, no answer. gaah Does he have any short-scale slope dred kits?


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SixStringer wrote:
Is this guy away? I emailed him a couple days ago, no answer. gaah Does he have any short-scale slope dred kits?


Don't know where he currently is but I doubt he has short scale slope shoulder dred kits - I don't think Martin makes a short scale, slope shoulder dred.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Well, sloped dred would be ok. Classical necks also. Anyway, anyone in touch with him lately?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:20 pm 
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SixStringer wrote:
Is this guy away? I emailed him a couple days ago, no answer. gaah Does he have any short-scale slope dred kits?


I e-mailed him when this thread first started and have not received a response.


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