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| Author: | James Orr [ Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:25 pm ] |
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I finished inlaying my rosette tonight. It's ugly. Somehow I'm going to need to come to terms with this. I'll need to stop imagining overhearing comments like, "Great sound. Too bad about the rosette." "Massive black circles, and look, there's a guitar, too." & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; It goes: black/koa/black/paua/black/koa/black. I dry fit the thing and somehow didn't notice how weighted the black became. It's overwhelming. I'll post a pic tomorrow afternoon when I get home. This is semi-tongue in cheek, though I'm disappointed in it. I'll probably like it better tomorrow. |
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| Author: | D Stewart [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:39 am ] |
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Hey James, I look forward to seeing it. I'm sure it is better than you think. Of course here it might be like posting pics of an ugly baby... we will all say it looks good....  No really, good looking um, rosette, yea, its really different... quite different...  
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| Author: | D Stewart [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:41 am ] |
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Oh, I know, there is no such thing as an ugly baby. Right. 
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| Author: | Steve Saville [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:25 am ] |
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[QUOTE=James Orr] I finished inlaying my rosette tonight. It's ugly.[/QUOTE]Have you thought about cutting it out and making a new one? It might not be as bad as you say, but if it is...... |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:31 am ] |
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It doesn't matter how ugly it is, I've made something uglier.
Lots of trial and error in the guitarmaking world.... |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:53 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dave Rector] It doesn't matter how ugly it is, I've made something uglier.
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Steve |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:19 am ] |
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Designers and craftsmen do not critique their own work well. They will over internalise the flaws and exaggerate the defects. Let your peers critique and you analyze.
Show us pictures!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:38 am ] |
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Add 5 more here bud! Pics please! 
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| Author: | Kim [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:48 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dave Rector] It doesn't matter how ugly it is, I've made something uglier.
....[/QUOTE] Hmmm, that's what my Dad use to say all the time
Cheers Kim |
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| Author: | LuthierSupplier [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:57 am ] |
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Kim, I laughed out load when I saw your response. Very funny. As for the rosette, if you don't like it, you can always just route it out and redo. As long as you didn't cut your soundhole out yet.
Tracy [QUOTE=larkim] [QUOTE=Dave Rector] It doesn't matter how ugly it is, I've made something uglier.
....[/QUOTE] Hmmm, that's what my Dad use to say all the time
Cheers Kim [/QUOTE] |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:19 am ] |
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[QUOTE=SteveS]Have you thought about cutting it out and making a new one? It might not be as bad as you say, but if it is...... [/QUOTE] All day I'm going to go take some pictures right now.
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| Author: | James Orr [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:48 am ] |
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Sigh... I still don't like it. I think it would be great with a rosewood. I'm going to rout the purflings back out and do a koa/pear/koa from Shane to try bringing the browns out. I'm using mahogany and tortoise shell bindings. I didn't realize Paua was so turqoise. This will actually be good, as those will be slightly wider purflings. I routed it spot on, dry fit it, then took it out to glue it. The glue made the wood swell too much to fit in so I routed it out another hair. The hair turned into a big gap I tried filling with some shavings from the soundboard, and they stick out like a sore thumb. |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:05 am ] |
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Is that flushed? That doesn't look terrible to me. It just looks rough. scrape it and sand it out... it might look fine. |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:17 am ] |
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It's not totally flushed yet. I like it, just not for what I'm after on this guitar. I think it would look really nice with rosewood. |
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| Author: | Steve Saville [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:35 pm ] |
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James, It doesn't look too bad too me. Hmm, maybe you think all my rosettes are really ugly. 
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| Author: | James Orr [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:43 pm ] |
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I usually don't think the things other people do are ugly 
I really don't. Some things of course are truly ugly, but when it's on a personal level, I look at these things as our way of telling each other something about ourself because we're sharing our taste and vision. And thank you
One time, my sister made me dig up and reset a fence post two times. Concrete and all. |
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| Author: | Kelby [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:36 pm ] |
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James, I think you owe it to yourself to flush it and put a little shellac on it to see how it looks cleaned and finished. I agree it's rough now, but I quite like the combination and I think it will look very sharp when cleaned up. Of course, if that discoloration in the left of the outer band is a filled gap, I agree you should fix that. A rosette draws the eye, and it has to be blemish-free. But personally, I would fix it with another black/koa combination, because I really like the look you have created here. If you find the black overwhelming, then you could double up the koa lines in the outer band, and that should mute the black considerably. I hear you about the wood swelling. I have never been able to get that right with the method you describe. Nowadays, I always shellac the channel, wait till it's dry, install the rosette dry, and wick in CA to adhere it. I'm just not good enough to do it any other way.
Good luck; I'm anxious to see how it comes out! |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:51 pm ] |
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James, I agree with what others have said. I like the effect you are getting and you do need to level it out. You will need to do that before your re-rout in any case. I will get the other purfs ready for you but you may actually like this look. Try cleaning it up and then put some shellac or naptha both on the rosette and on your mahongany and lay them beside each other and see how they will look under paint. I do really like what you have come up with there! But the first person you need to please is yourself! Shane |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:40 am ] |
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Ok, it's cleaned up, and I'm happy to say that I'm much happier! The brown comes out a LOT more now. The thrilled scale is at 85%. I'd rather be 100%, but I'm satisfied with 85 enough not to risk the rout. 
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| Author: | rich altieri [ Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:11 pm ] |
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Looks good to me. I think you are being too critical of your work - I know because I am the same way - never happy
All kidding aside, I think its a winner. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:38 pm ] |
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You got it James, way to go, very nice job my friend!
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:20 pm ] |
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Alright James, looking good. I think it's a keeper for sure. |
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| Author: | Anthony Z [ Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:27 pm ] |
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James I really like the b/koa/b layout with the Paua...great idea. It looks pretty darn good to me. |
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