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Author: | David Collins [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:58 am ] |
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Typically on old style "through saddle" bridges, if somebody wants a pickup I will recommend top transducers or a good soundhole pickup like the Baggs M1. This customer really liked the sound of his friends Baggs Element though, and wanted one in is D-28V. These newer Martin through saddles can be a real bear to remove, but since I had to do a bridge reglue anyway I knew it would come out easy when I heated the bridge. I took a lot of pictures, so I'll try to be a concise as possible. Here is my approach to an under the saddle tranducer for a through saddle. First, Martin is no longer using a true through saddle. The slot is actually closed on the ends, with the end of the cut filled with an ebony filler to give the appearance of the square end of a true through saddle. ![]() True through saddle pickups get feather thin at the ends and can be hard to keep looking clean. I assume Martin chose this method as a way to keep the saddle ends clean and consistant. What I will do is cut a tiered saddle slot, with a recess to accept the pickup while leaving the base of the saddle still fitting closely to the slot bottom at the ends. First I will clean up the slot, removing very little material. You need a fairly good slot routing jig for this whole job. ![]() Next decide how deep the pickup recess has to be. The Element measures out at about .035", and will compress down to around .033" with my calipers. ![]() Still having my saddle routing tool setup undisturbed from the last cut, I will set the depth stop for .032" deeper than the initial clean up cut. ![]() Here is the recess cut in. I routed it slightly longer than a standard saddle. ![]() Now to drill the access hole in the bottom of the slot, I always like to see where the braces are. A couple of magnets and a ruler make this easy. ![]() Coaxial, ribbon and film transducers don't like the 90 degree hole that traditional piezo's use. I noticed when I got home that in my posing for this shot I exagerated the angle, but you get the idea. Somewhere in the range of 60-65 degrees above the slot should be sufficient. ![]() Then I still like to go in with a micro chisel and soften the angle that it will have to bend at as it leaves the slot. ![]() Here's how it will fit. ![]() Then the cussing begins as I try to remove the end pin to ream out the hole. PLEASE DO NOT GLUE IN THE END PIN! It is a taper fit pin and is designed to be removable. NEVER GLUE IN THE END PIN! Thank you... ![]() With the hole reamed I will make a quick note on how I like jacks installed. Leave then not tight enough and they will come loose, and wires will twist and break as the player tries to tighten it up by spinning the end. Too tight and the finish will crack and lift - I've even seen end wedge binding puckered out from the force. First get yourself an 18"-24" pice of 1/4" rod. I use my 18" 1/4" drill bit. This makes is simple and painless to install and remove the jack as many times as necessary to get the tightness right. ![]() I like to set it so that when the nut is moderately tight it will bottom out on the larger diameter of the jack. This way the washer doesn't flare inward and crack the finish as I see so often. I can also then tighten the nut more aggresively on the the jack to keep it from coming loose, still without increasing the pressure against the body or finish. Start by leaving the face of the large diameter of the jack set about 1/32" below the surface of the finish. This will usually be pretty close, but keep pulling it back out and adjusting the inner nut(s) until it feels right. I know I seem picky about this, but improperly tightened jacks cause problems that I see very often. ![]() Finger tightened strap button ends that are chronically coming loose are another common problem. The other side of that would be buttons marred with plier marks, or even worse, Loctite or super glue. A simple non-marking wrench is easy to make. For this tool I just drilled a hole and cut a slot in a piece of 1/2" rubber. ![]() Here it is in use - pretty fancy engineering, eh? ![]() Okay, enough time on jack philosophy. On to the saddle. Always flatten the bottom of your saddles on a surface block, float glass, or something reasonably flat, especially after you have sanded the bottom on a belt sander. When a saddle is sanded aggresively the surface will heat and cup away from that side, leaving the center bowed out to be sanded more than the edges. After the saddle cools, mark the base with a pencil and sand it lightly on a block. ![]() Here it is after a few strokes. It will look like this ever single time, whether you are using bone, tusq, graphtech, etc. ![]() After fitting the thickness and length it's time for me to refill the ends of the slot. Normally this could be done after the saddle is shaped, but for various reasons I needed the fills to be dried the following day and was not going to have time to shape the saddle that day. I'll be using an epoxy filled with ebony dust, although I'm sure there are black wood fillers that would work just fine as well. First I wax the saddle to keep it from being glued. ![]() Mix some ebony dust with a small batch of my West System epoxy. It's amazing how much this stuff absorbs. Whenever I add filler it seems I have to add 2-3 times the volume of the glue in filler before it really thickens. ![]() Then fill the ends of the slot, custome molded to the saddle ends. I'm doing this with the pickup out of the slot by the way. I want the saddle fitting as tight to the sides and bottom to prevent epoxy from flowing in to the slot. ![]() Next day, trim the exess epoxy with a chisel and remove the saddle. ![]() Then go about the usual business of making a saddle, file and sand the saddle flush to the bridge at the ends, buff out the saddle and bridge. After checking the pickup balance and having everything complete, I decided to very lightly glue the ends of this saddle in. They are usually glued in anyway, and this style of pickup leaves itself prone to moving if the saddle were removed. This is not usually a problem on closed end saddles, but just as a precaution I decided to rub some glue in the the very ends to hold it in place. ![]() Clean it up and here it is. ![]() It's not something I do often, but this customer really wanted this particular pickup in his guitar, and had been told by others that it was not possible. I would have probably recommended against the extra expense in most cases, but since I was already doing a bridge reglue, fret work and a new bone saddle here some of the extra work would cross over. It sounds just like it does in a standard bridge. ![]() |
Author: | Rod True [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:37 am ] |
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I don't want to assume anything. I looked at the other post by David and it's not complete. But this one sure is. Thank you David for a great tutorial. I've always liked the look of the through saddle and have wondered how to get a under saddle pick up in there. Now I know. |
Author: | Cocephus [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:45 pm ] |
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Thanks for the info, David. This subject was being discussed in my shop a couple days ago. What timing! ![]() Coe |
Author: | mfranks [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:06 pm ] |
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Very useful information. Thank you, David. BTW, Didn't I meet you through David Mosher at Johnny's Speak Easy? |
Author: | David Collins [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:53 pm ] |
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Hi Mike, Yes we did! My wife is starting to take up the fiddle, and I swear I had just mentioned Mosher not 30 seconds before looking at your post. I haven't been out there in a while, but I've been wanting to go by to see if the house around the corner has the christmas lights up again that looked like required thier own breaker box last year. I don't remember if it was the Christmas show we met at, but you'd remember it if you saw it. Nice to run in to you here. You'll have to stop by my shop sometime if you ever get out to Ann Arbor. I'd love to come by and see your current projects (and fondle your rosewood if you still have any like what you used on Dave's) some time, but I really don't get east of Ypsilanti very often. If you haven't already, you should check out the Michigan Luthiers Guild gatherings. We're hoping for a successful meeting sometime in January. |
Author: | Serge Poirier [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:10 pm ] |
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Yes, thanks David, saved to file! |
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