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 Post subject: Satin Nitro question
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:36 am 
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Just finished spraying Satin nitro on my guitar body, it has a bit of a rough sandy feel to it but looks great.

Do I sand this flat? And what grit to use, don't want to create a shiny surface. I'm aiming for a Lowden type of satin finish.


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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:43 am 
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cablepuller1 wrote:
Just finished spraying Satin nitro on my guitar body, it has a bit of a rough sandy feel to it but looks great.

Do I sand this flat? And what grit to use, don't want to create a shiny surface. I'm aiming for a Lowden type of satin finish.


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Satin finishes are generally an "as is - off the gun" type finish where no further work is required. As such a better quality gun that gives good atomization is prefered. Some finishers can achieve good results with less than first rate equipment, but that usually requires a level of experience most of us "finishing dilettantes" don't have.
A satin finish shouldn't have a rough sandy texture. That is usually from spraying a "dry" coat. You can try knocking it down a bit with some steel wool and see if you are still happy with the surface. If not, you might have to recoat it, possibly spraying a little heavier or adding a little retarder to get better flow out.



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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:06 am 
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NO! NO SANDING!!! satin must run as is off the gun..... The rough texture is dust and dirt. A surgically clean spray facility is required get good results.

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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
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I've had some success smoothing rough bits and repairs (CA with waterbourne EV) with 2nd finest Scotchbrite, grey I believe. White scotchbrite will shine it up. May have to do the whole panel (top, sides or back) or even whole body to match it in.
Try it on test panels first.

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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
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I had a similar issue when first sprayed. You do want as dust free as you can get . In my case it was the gun . I didn't have it adjusted correctly and was drying the material before it was hitting the surface. I adjusted the gun added 10% retarder and thinner. There is a bit of a learning curve. Agree nothing after spraying it smoothed out nicely

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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
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Pretty sure Lowden are hit with steel wool at the end, or wire brush as they call it...



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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
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yes lowden also uses a wipe on poly

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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
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bluescreek wrote:
yes lowden also uses a wipe on poly


Hi John, thanks for your reply. Do you happen to have any details on Lowden's finishing process i.e. what wipe on poly they use and what the procedure is? I appreciate any tips you can provide

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 Post subject: Re: Satin Nitro question
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I used General wipe on poly.
Really like the finish.
Didn't polish or anything,
left it as it is.
Only caveat is, when I tested on a piece of mahogany, it went all the way through the 1/8"
scrap.
I wouldn't use it on an acoustic for that reason.
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