Official Luthiers Forum!

Solely owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:28 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:37 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:33 am
Posts: 947
First name: Willard
Last Name: Guthrie
City: Cumberland
State: Maryland 21502
Zip/Postal Code: 21502
Country: United State
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
We've used several specialty tapes for the last few years to both speeding up fretwork and protect surfaces. The low tack white paper tape shown is from TransferRite, and the narrower width blue tapes are from XFasten (1/2") and 3M (1/4"); Stewmac recently started carrying both the TransferRite and narrower orange-colored American OM-branded masking tapes at reasonable prices. Here are a few applications:

1. Fret Edge Bevel Telltale

We use tabs of the 1/4" width tape - 4 to 6 total, depending on fretboard length) to show when the fret edge bevel has been cut to the fretboard edge. The tape should be snugged up against the frets for a true reading, as a rolled or worn fretboard edge may result in a deeper bevel at the fret than between frets. The tape will show a thin spot when the bevel is close, then will cut the tape as the bevel reaches the fretboard edge.

Attachment:
FretPrep01.jpg


Attachment:
FretPrep04.jpg


2. Fretboard and Neck Masking

A strip of 1" low tack tape is applied just below each fretboard edge to tie together all of the individual pieces of tape masking the face for easier removal as well as to protect failing or delicate finishes on vintage necks. Even after aggressive buffing, most of the fretboard face masking comes off in one or two pieces.

Attachment:
FretPrep06.jpg


Attachment:
FretPrep10.jpg


Attachment:
FretPrep11.jpg


Attachment:
FretPrep12.jpg


3. Faster Fretboard Face Masking

1", 1/2", and 1/4" largely avoid any need to trim tape to width, so speed application.

Attachment:
FretPrep08.jpg


Attachment:
FretPrep09.jpg


4. Protecting Delicate Finishes on Body

By applying 1" or 3" low tack tape before moving to medium or high tack tape to mask or mark (e.g., bridge patch 'dam' to glue up bridge), damage to aged or delicate finishes can be avoided. We routinely do the first layer of protective masks with the white low tack tape, then use higher tack tape to hold components, etc. The low tack of the white TransferRite tape is still more than enough to stay in place, and the stronger blue tape handles jobs that require higher tack, such as holding masks.


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
I respectfully decline the invitation to join your hallucination.
- Scott Adams


Last edited by Woodie G on Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:21 am, edited 6 times in total.


These users thanked the author Woodie G for the post (total 3): John J (Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:22 pm) • J De Rocher (Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:42 pm) • Bryan Bear (Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:45 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:46 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:12 pm
Posts: 2574
First name: Bryan
Last Name: Bear
City: St. Louis
State: Mo
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I like that tip #1! I never would have thought of that.

_________________
Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:37 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:50 pm
Posts: 712
Location: United States
First name: John
Last Name: Lewis
City: Newnan
State: Georgia
Zip/Postal Code: 30265
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks Woodie!

_________________
John Lewis
Wannabe builder owned by 2 crazy dachshunds


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:59 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:44 pm
Posts: 1172
Location: Andersonville
State: Tennessee
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Nice, I'll have to check out the different width's Blue tape, currently I'm using some expensive green 3m stuff. And hats off to y'all for using a 15 degree fret end bevel



These users thanked the author Clinchriver for the post: SteveSmith (Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:26 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:39 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:33 am
Posts: 947
First name: Willard
Last Name: Guthrie
City: Cumberland
State: Maryland 21502
Zip/Postal Code: 21502
Country: United State
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
Thanks! I don't believe any of this is really new - just what we do in this shop to add a little more consistency to the process or to save a bit of time.

On the fret end bevel, we offer 15, 22-1/2, 30, and 35 degree bevels...it is definitely a customer preference item. The 15 degree bevel seems to be the answer for narrower necks like the Fenders and some of the narrower Gibsons, but we usually see those players with wider boards (e.g., the 1-3/4" nut/2-5/16" pin Martins) opt for more bevel where the strings have quite a bit of set-back from the edge of the board.

The customer for the Les Paul pictured had received his SG refret from us a day before these shots were taken, and called as we were starting tape-up to request more bevel and a bit more roll on the Les Paul ...despite what for us is a lot of edge roll on top of a 15 degree bevel. After the boss got done turning the air blue, I re-beveled the LP to 30 degrees and we used a much reduced edge roll, knowing what the increased bevel angle would do for feel (this is why the bevel looks a little wider in the later photos). At close to $400 per guitar for a stainless refret and related work, we split the SG tweaks with the customer. Had the owner not been one of the best young players we've seen lately, and able to notice very minor tweaks (versus some of the players that claim to have that ability, sans any evidence), I suspect we'd have pushed back a bit harder.

Not really a funny story at all if repair is a revenue generator, but it illustrates why some shops lock down their choices on wire size, bevel, etc.

_________________
I respectfully decline the invitation to join your hallucination.
- Scott Adams


Last edited by Woodie G on Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.


These users thanked the author Woodie G for the post: Clinchriver (Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:10 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:54 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:34 pm
Posts: 953
First name: Rob
Last Name: McDougall
City: Cochrane
State: Alberta
Excellent tips Woodie, thanks for sharing!

Rob


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:02 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:20 am
Posts: 2531
Location: Powell River BC Canada
First name: Danny
Last Name: Vincent
Thanks again to the always clever Woodie! Posting these things takes time. It is appreciated.

I don't really do repair work but I'm never sure what requires fully masking.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:36 pm 
Online
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 3478
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Excellent, thanks for the tips Woodie.

_________________
“There are two men inside the artist, the poet and the craftsman. One is born a poet. One becomes a craftsman.” - Emile Zola


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:54 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 3739
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
This old dog will steal trick #1....

_________________
Stop saying "How stupid can you get?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:06 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:33 am
Posts: 947
First name: Willard
Last Name: Guthrie
City: Cumberland
State: Maryland 21502
Zip/Postal Code: 21502
Country: United State
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
[:Y:] Why thanks, Mr. Pile - consider it as a rather small and partial payment for all of your sage advice over the last few years.

_________________
I respectfully decline the invitation to join your hallucination.
- Scott Adams


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:20 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:36 am
Posts: 5354
Location: Southeast US
City: Lenoir City
State: TN
Zip/Postal Code: 37772
Country: US
Focus: Repair
Good post Woodie, thanks for sharing. I don't normally get adhesives or tape from StewMac so had not seen the white low-tack tape. That will be useful, I just ordered one of each size.

_________________
Steve Smith
"Music is what feelings sound like"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:50 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:33 am
Posts: 947
First name: Willard
Last Name: Guthrie
City: Cumberland
State: Maryland 21502
Zip/Postal Code: 21502
Country: United State
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
We have suggested to StewMac that they offer the dual and triple roll 'deluxe' industrial tape dispensers we use in the shop (perhaps branded and in the SM red color?). These dispensers are available from a number of sources and in a number of different brandings (InLine, U-Line, etc.). The triple carries a single roll of 1", two rolls of 1/2", and two or three rolls of the 1/4" tape when on the repair benches, so fewer reloads needed for a busy shop. The triple dispensers seem to be a good match between having enough mass to stay put on smooth bench surfaces or carpet squares, types or sizes of tape available from a single dispenser, and ease of moving the dispenser around the shop as needed. Dispensers with more rolls are available for fixed locations such as shipping departments, but they sacrifice portability for utility.

Here are links to the two and three roll (nominal 1" width) tape dispensers we favor:

Three roll Inline/Tape Logic style dispenser: https://www.amazon.com/Aviditi-SL7336-Steel-Dispenser-Diameter/dp/B000ZJQD6G/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1538397365&sr=8-4&keywords=inline+tape+dispenser&dpID=515ZDhajoSL&preST=_SX342_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

Two roll Inline/Tape Logic style dispenser: https://www.amazon.com/Inline-Multi-roll-Double-Tape-Dispenser/dp/B00GSXXB72/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1538397365&sr=8-5&keywords=inline+tape+dispenser&dpID=412ldTxQY6L&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

The same dispensers are offered by Uline as their 'deluxe' model at $21 (2"/two roll) and $24 (3"/three roll) in quantity of one or two...with shipping, the pricing is not far off what Prime users pay.

Finally - avoid confusing these deluxe dispensers with the standard industrial models - the metal guide bars on the deluxe models are much better at keeping tapes sorted for use.

_________________
I respectfully decline the invitation to join your hallucination.
- Scott Adams


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:48 am 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:25 pm
Posts: 142
First name: Tony
Last Name: Thatcher
City: Bozeman
State: MT
I used tip #1 to clean up a bevel yesterday. Worked like a charm! Thanks!

_________________
Tony Thatcher
Montana



These users thanked the author mountain whimsy for the post: Woodie G (Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:01 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: A.Hix, Colin North, DennisK and 11 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com