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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:56 pm 
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No worries. Royal-Lac gets some harsh criticism in some circles, but only from folks that sprayed, so it's good to know the actual process was the problem, not the product...


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:32 pm 
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For a short while there (i.e., while Vijay was tinkering with a special spraying formula), it might have been the product, but for hand application methods, the product is probably not the source of problems.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:05 pm 
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I have found RL to be pretty forgiving. French polishing works, but so does application and sanding back. I don't care what the rules are, it can be wet sanded the next day! On this guitar I added tint to Seal Lac and then finished with Royal Lac. 2 day finish. The unevenness is not the fault of the Royal Lac! In person it actually looks better. The folks that have played it didn't seem to notice, but the camera seems to accent the uneven color.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:06 am 
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Waddy, tell us about your two day finish?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:08 am 
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I really love the rosette and binding on that guitar too Waddy.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:13 pm 
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Sorry for the delay. I pretty much did the Seal Lac 50/50 with Acetone, and worked up a base, putting it on wet just like you would using that method with shellac. I sanded back lightly with 400 grit after about 3 or 4 coats. When applying, I'd do a surface at a time for a couple of passes with a couple of minutes between for drying, then switch to another surface. Did that all around, then came back around. The first few coats had the tint also mixed in there. After four coats, I think, I waited for maybe 3o minutes to an hour and sanded back lightly, then did a few more passes. Sanded back and used Royal Lac Blond mixed with Acetone, applied the same way for several coats. Then I wet sanded the next morning with 2400 Micro Mesh, just to level it out some. Then I used Royal Lac in a roughly 1 lb cut, or 50/50 with alcohol, and French Polished with a little oil for a few sessions on each surface, then used a glazing type pass for several passes - no oil, but more alcohol. Then I wet sanded the next morning starting at about 4000 up through 12000, and finished it up with Meguires Swirl Remover and Show Car Glaze.

So, I guess it was really 2 and 1/2 days total. I don't really keep a record of what I did, I just do it by feel. When I feel like I have enough build, I move on to the next step. When you mix with Acetone, it goes on really thin, and dries immediately. I have to wet the pad or muneca frequently. The staining passes were actually done with folded up lint free paper towels that come in a box. I cut them up into 3x4 pieces and fold to little pads for application. Do a few passes and start on another pad. They start to deteriorate after a few passes.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=B3F_QOwmPmo

Not sure if this video is at all helpful, but thought I'd share.



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David Wren wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=B3F_QOwmPmo

Not sure if this video is at all helpful, but thought I'd share.


That's a good video and encouraging me to proceed. I'm sure I'll watch it again when I get to the point of starting.

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David, that's a good video and it helped me a lot when I started doing FP with Royal Lac. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:52 am 
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That's great that a couple of folks found the video a bit helpful ... or at least encouraging ... thanks for the feedback.

One thing I'll mention that I do and it seems some others do not ... is that I don't worry at all about how much olive oil I use (I don't use an excessive amount, but I don't give it a second thought if I think I need a bit to keep the fad lubricated). Non-drying oil like olive oil is much more forgiving I've found, than a drying oil (like mineral or walnut oil) ... it just floats to the surface by the next session and you can just wipe most of it off with a paper towel (to save your spiriting off fad from immediately getting oil on it) and then start your next session.

I'm not saying that this is the only way to go, or even the best way ... it's just the way that works consistently for me ... and gives consistently great results. I've seen other builders get just as good results as I do, with quite different methods.

Just something to consider.



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