Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:27 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:54 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:42 am
Posts: 1575
Location: United States
I was using an old LMII back saw. Recently, twice it cut slots with an arc, rather than a straight line. No amount of care starting the slot would make me use this again.

So, I need recommendations for a system. I have a SawStop, but previously there was a post that the fret slotting blades will not work in this saw. I have no problem using a hand saw, because I am not a big operation. Either method is OK with me, but if a hand saw I want something simple and fool proof.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:36 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm
Posts: 641
First name: Bob
Last Name: Gramann
City: Fredericksburg
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 22408
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
I had The Blade MFG Co make me a 10” blade with .023” kerf for my SawStop. It works. The blade they sent me was just a bit thin, so I had to put just a bit of set on it. They start with a normal thickness blank, machine the last half in or so to the desired thickness, then cut the teeth.

Your hand saw likely needs to be sharpened. When they won’t cut straight, usually some or all of the teeth are dull. Find a tutorial on saw sharpening on the web. It looks hard, but it takes only a few minutes. Don’t add set to the saw unless you need it.

Knowing that, and having a good, sharp, calibrated fret slotting hand saw, I use the table saw to slot my fingerboards. I use the hand saw on for odd stuff and to clean up slots. When I sharpened the hand saw, it cut way better than it did when it was new.



These users thanked the author bobgramann for the post: wbergman (Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:15 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:49 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:42 am
Posts: 1575
Location: United States
Would the table saw blade be carbide tipped? About how much did it cost?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:03 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm
Posts: 641
First name: Bob
Last Name: Gramann
City: Fredericksburg
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 22408
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
The blade was high speed steel and can be resharpened. Including shipping, it was about $130. I considered it well worth the money. The StewMac blade (6”) runs around $100. With the 10” blade, I didn’t have to get the 8” cartridge and an 8” blade (which also would have to be custom made), or have to hot wire the saw to work with the 6” blade.

I didn’t think that I needed to SawStop protection feature to cut fret slots with a sled. The other day, I was using that blade and the sled I use for slotting to make some special kerfed linings. During that operation, I got quite wary of the blade and started to think that emergency stop feature could be useful. I was very careful and worked slowly and deliberately until I got that job done. I never want to trip the safety brake.



These users thanked the author bobgramann for the post: wbergman (Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:28 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:29 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:42 am
Posts: 1575
Location: United States
So your SawStop cartridge is still in place and operational?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:35 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm
Posts: 641
First name: Bob
Last Name: Gramann
City: Fredericksburg
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 22408
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Yes. I hope I never trip it, but it gives me some comfort knowing it’s there.



These users thanked the author bobgramann for the post: wbergman (Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:28 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:31 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:50 pm
Posts: 729
Location: United States
First name: John
Last Name: Lewis
City: Newnan
State: Georgia
Zip/Postal Code: 30265
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
It's a really nice saw and the saw brake will give you a loud reminder if your attention wanders. I was at a demonstration at Highland Hardware in Atlanta - the noise is every bit as jarring as a shotgun blast from the same distance.

Good luck with the fret slotting on your SawStop.

_________________
John Lewis
Wannabe builder owned by 2 crazy dachshunds



These users thanked the author John Lewis for the post: wbergman (Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:28 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:21 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:32 pm
Posts: 3470
First name: Alex
Last Name: Kleon
City: Whitby
State: Ontario
Zip/Postal Code: L1N8X2
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
bobgramann wrote:
The blade was high speed steel and can be resharpened. Including shipping, it was about $130. I considered it well worth the money. The StewMac blade (6”) runs around $100. With the 10” blade, I didn’t have to get the 8” cartridge and an 8” blade (which also would have to be custom made), or have to hot wire the saw to work with the 6” blade.


Thanks for the info, Bob! A 6" blade will only project about 1/4" above table height on my saw, so getting an 8" or 10" blade custom ground fret blade with a 1" arbor hole would be perfect! I just ordered a Japanese style fret saw from Stewmac, yesterday, so I guess I can wait awhile.

Alex

_________________
"Indecision is the key to flexibility" .... Bumper sticker



These users thanked the author Alex Kleon for the post: wbergman (Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:37 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:57 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:34 am
Posts: 7
Location: United States
First name: David
Last Name: Brantley
City: Brunswick
State: GA
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
The Japanese fret saw from SM is excellent. Better than any back saw I've ever used



These users thanked the author dbbrantley for the post: wbergman (Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:25 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:24 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:42 am
Posts: 1575
Location: United States
Using the depth gauge, I am not visualizing a miter box that would work. Do you use it freehand (for which I have no skill)?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:26 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:42 am
Posts: 1575
Location: United States
Bob, when you say a bit thin, what was the actual thickness as received?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:44 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:32 pm
Posts: 3470
First name: Alex
Last Name: Kleon
City: Whitby
State: Ontario
Zip/Postal Code: L1N8X2
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
wbergman wrote:
Using the depth gauge, I am not visualizing a miter box that would work. Do you use it freehand (for which I have no skill)?



I made my own mitre box, and control the blade depth with a stop that registers on the blade spine. I'll likely have to make an alteration for the new saw. The only thing that I free hand is single malt, and with the utmost caution, at that!

Alex

_________________
"Indecision is the key to flexibility" .... Bumper sticker



These users thanked the author Alex Kleon for the post: wbergman (Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:42 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:05 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm
Posts: 641
First name: Bob
Last Name: Gramann
City: Fredericksburg
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 22408
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
When I received the blade, it was .020” at the rim and cut a .022” kerf. I tapped every other tooth into a .002” depression with a punch, flipped it and did the others. After that, it cut a .025” kerf. I flattened the set with a hammer on an anvil. It cuts .023” now. I suggest telling them that you want a .023” kerf and asking them to control the thickness of the rim to .022”. Getting to this point took some perseverance and work, but now, I think I’m set for life for cutting fret slots unless I spoil the blade.

When I used the StewMac 6” blade on my orginal tablesaw, I couldn’t find anyone who would resharpen it. I don’t remember why I wouldn’t sharpen it myself. The Blade Mfg Co said they would resharpen this new blade when needed, but it looks like something I can do myself.



These users thanked the author bobgramann for the post (total 2): Pmaj7 (Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:18 pm) • wbergman (Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:42 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 62 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com