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My first 12'er! 18th overall.
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Author:  Pmaj7 [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:14 pm ]
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OM with Malaysian Blackwood, Adirondack, curly Koa, evo, coyote.

Sounds like a piano, I'm satisfied. My building theory was, "a little more beef". Standard bracing layout with an mpmte. Thanks to John Parchem for advice on the 6pin12 design.

I have always done my necks with chisels, spokeshave and knives. This time I added draw knife and dragon rasp, very pleased.

It was nice to have so much freedom on this one. 12 strings + coyote + Builders Choice. The 510's are very nice although all that writing on the back looks cheap. I think it would have served them better to just have a trademark symbol something like the Montblanc star. Of course I didn't plan my peghead well and I have some strings touching. But, it works just fine. Live and learn...ImageImageImageImageImageImage
Author:  johnparchem [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:20 pm ]
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Very nice! The 6 pin bridge looks good.
Author:  jfmckenna [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:45 pm ]
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If it sounds as good as it looks then you have a winner! I would not worry about strings touching around the tuner posts but you do need to secure those tuners with a screw in the back ;)

I used to use chisels and knives for the heal and the peg head where it meets the shaft till I discovered Dragon Rasps too. I have to admit a bit of snobbery on this one actually, I always thought rasps were crude tools for those who don't know how to use finer wood working tools and then I read about hand stitched rasps and thought hmmm maybe I should try it. One of those things I could kick myself for not discovering earlier. It's like anything a cheap tool, in my case experience with cheap rasps, versus the real deal is like night and day.

For the neck shaft I still use a spoke shave though, I've yet to find a better tool for that.
Author:  Glen H [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:48 pm ]
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Ooooh! Nice!
Author:  Hesh [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:24 pm ]
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Very, very nice!!! Killer guitar!!!
Author:  SnowManSnow [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:02 pm ]
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Looks great!!


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Author:  bcombs510 [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:04 pm ]
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I'm a big fan of that top. I have a stack of bearclaw sitka with similar grain pattern. Awesome guitar, Pat!!
Author:  mikemcnerney [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:41 am ]
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I t looks great. Could you show a close up of the bridge & saddle please?
Author:  Alex Kleon [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:11 am ]
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Very nice! The satin finish looks perfect, Pat, what did you use?

Alex
Author:  bionta [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:13 am ]
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Really great looking guitar. Thanks for the pics.


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Author:  sdsollod [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:30 am ]
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Really very nice Pat! What are the neck and backstrap woods and what material is the nut & saddle?
Author:  mountain whimsy [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:46 am ]
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Looks great! Love the coyote moon rising above the headstock. And the flamed binding is always a welcome piece of natural bling, in my book.

My wife may allow one more guitar in the house if it's a 12er. Got me thinking, which is always a dangerous thing.....
Author:  Quine [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:54 pm ]
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Very tasty. I like that open pore finish!!
Author:  DannyV [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:51 pm ]
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Nice!! What a lovely set of wood and what a lot of 510's!
Author:  Pmaj7 [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:00 pm ]
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Thanks for the encouraging words everybody! I don't have the guitar now, but the bridge is just a 1x6 and nut and saddle are African Blackwood. The Finish is only two coats of Tru oil. Yeah, I love pores! I'm going to put some more on when it comes back for a set up. Neck and back strap are Honduran mahogany.
jfmckenna wrote:
One of those things I could kick myself for not discovering earlier. It's like anything a cheap tool, in my case experience with cheap rasps, versus the real deal is like night and day.

For the neck shaft I still use a spoke shave though, I've yet to find a better tool for that.
Agreed on the nice rasps! The draw knife handily removes the bulk in seconds.
Author:  Bobc [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:50 am ]
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Looks great. Beautiful set of Malaysian Blackwood
Author:  Mike Collins [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:57 pm ]
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Very NICE
Mike [:Y:]
Author:  Haans [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:46 pm ]
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Open pores are not my book, but very nice Pat!
Is that a long scale or just the angle of the shot?
Author:  Ruby50 [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:58 pm ]
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Great looking - did you use standard OM bracing?

Ed
Author:  Pmaj7 [ Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:31 am ]
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Haans wrote:
Open pores are not my book, but very nice Pat!
Is that a long scale or just the angle of the shot?
Thanks Hanns! It's actually a short scale. 24.9. I think the string courses matching the wide grain pattern making it look longer. And lack of pdots also.

Ruby50 wrote:
Great looking - did you use standard OM bracing?

Ed

Yes, just beefier. Maybe like an Antes plan? With the addition of one more brace behind the plate.
Author:  frwilliams [ Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:36 pm ]
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Nice work!! I like Tru oil myself, My last build I used Aqua Coat for filler. It is really an easy pore filler to use. With the Tru Oil finish, it has become my favourite finish. I think I still will French Polish the tops,

heres a link: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.a ... 42&p=75766

Did you do anything to beef up the neck?
fred
Author:  Haans [ Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:47 pm ]
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Think it's more camera optics, Pat. Nut is a lot closer to the lens than the saddle...
What the heck is mpmte?
Author:  Pmaj7 [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:37 pm ]
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frwilliams wrote:
Nice work!! I like Tru oil myself, My last build I used Aqua Coat for filler. It is really an easy pore filler to use. With the Tru Oil finish, it has become my favourite finish. I think I still will French Polish the tops,

heres a link: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.a ... 42&p=75766

Did you do anything to beef up the neck?
fred
Wow, Aqua Coat sounds promising! Is anyone else using this?

Yes, both the neck shaft and fingerboard are slightly thicker than normal and there are also two carbon fiber rods. After string up, there was just a skosh of relief.
Author:  Pmaj7 [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:40 pm ]
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Haans wrote:
What the heck is mpmte?
Mario P. Magic tone enhancer. I thought that was a known thing! It's a brace right behind the bridge plate, and if I remember right, he would make it but not install it and then decide later to put it in or not.
Author:  Haans [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:19 pm ]
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Yea, I just didn't put it together. I remember now...
Thanks Pat.
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