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Author: | Marn99 [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Oiling a fingerboard |
Hey everybody, So I have this maple neck with a east indian rosewood fingerboard that I got from a stratocaster copy (I'm reshaping into a tele neck) and I want to oil the fingerboard. I don't have any guitar fingerboard oil but I do have top of the line violin fingerboard oil (I have been playing for 8-9 years) and its good enough quality that I use it on my Violin's fingerboard every year and a half, which is genuine East Indian Ebony. Can this be used on a guitar fingerboard? thanks, Benjamin |
Author: | Hesh [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
Sure but I would prefer Howard Feed-n-wax which is a wax and oil treatment not specifically for instrument use but that is commonly used by professional Luthiers and has been for years. The advantage of Howards is that it does not build up but at the same time has a lasting (I do my personal stuff annually) conditioning that helps prevent splitting. I've likely put Howards on over 5,000 instruments now using it on every set-up that I do and that's around 600 a year. I've also used it now for around ten years with many of the instruments that I used it on coming in for servicing from time to time so that I can see how it holds up over time. No issues, only benefits, great stuff. You can find it at "real" Mom and Pop hardware stores. It also will make an ebony bridge or rosewood pop and darken too. I even use it on Taylor truss rod access covers when the thing looks dry as a potato chip. Lately we've also been using it for fret work waxing the board before letting a bead of super thin CA wick in under the fret. The waxed board surface makes CA clean up a dream. Lastly I would attribute all my use of this stuff in various applications to David Collins my business partner who taught me how and where to use Howards. But yeah you can use violin oil too.... ![]() |
Author: | Woodie G [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
Given my experience here, I have to heartily agree with Mr. Breakstone's and Mr. Collin's recommendations on fretboard and fingerboard treatment - specifically the use of Howard's. It seems as though there is a lot of myths, misinformation, or misconceptions on fret board and fingerboard care, so we have a printed instrument care and maintenance handout that we give to customers during the first visit which has a section on fretboard and fingerboard care. From the Instrument Care Guide: Quote: - The wood in your instrument's fretboard or fingerboard is dead; it died shortly after the tree was harvested and converted to fretboards, fingerboards, and other instrument components. It does not need to be fed, petted, or told 'Good boy!' to do its job. Anyone that suggests the wood in your instrument, furniture, or floors is alive and needs feeding is trying to sell you something that you do not need and which may do more harm than good. - The primary reason to treat the fretboard or fingerboard is to increase water resistance - specifically, to keep sweat from the player's body from soaking into the wood and attracting dirt and debris, leading to accumulation of an unsightly layer of greasy dirt on the fingerbaord. For fretted instruments, this amalgam of dirt, skin oils, salt, and perspiration may wick into the fretboard/fret interface, leading to corrosion or compromise of the bond between the two. - Secondary reasons for fretboard or fingerboard treatment are for appearance or to reduce perceived friction between string and fingerboard material. - Most fretboard and fingerboard oils are just repackaged mineral oil with a touch of scent or other marketing-driven ingredient. Mineral oil is neither durable nor particularly effective as a moisture barrier - it is primarily an appearance enhancement. We don't recommend mineral oil as a wood treatment. - Some fretboard preparations are repackaged linseed oil with metallic dryers added - they form a film on the fingerboard or fretboard, which helps resist moisture, but will break down over time, requiring renewal and eventually removal and reapplication. We don't recommend modified linseed oil as a wood finish where it will be exposed to sweat and wear. - We DO recommend wax-based fretboard and fingerboard cleaner/protectant formulations like Howard's Feed and Wax or Johnson's Paste Wax. Wax is an inexpensive, durable, self-renewing fretboard or fingerboard treatment, and does an excellent job in repelling water even when applied in very thin films. More importantly, wax does a better job of sealing the gap between fretboard and fret without causing a build-up of oily film. When a hard wax like carnuba is combined with a soft wax like beeswax, durability and water resistance is further increased versus a single type of wax, and addition of a solvent/cleaner component like orange or lemon oil makes the treatment self-renewing. Wax treatments generally use a carrier/solvent like naphtha to allow easy application, and that carrier/solvent also functions as a cleaner for oily grime. - Along with many other repair shops, we recommend Howard's Feed and Wax over other treatments, due to low cost (~$9/pint), durability, lack of toxicity, and ease of use. Howard's is sold at most home centers, hardware stores, and online. Howard's combines hard and soft waxes, a naphtha solvent base, and orange oil in just the right proportions necessary for an effective treatment for instrument fretboards and fingerboards. - Treat your fretboard or fingerboard as needed to avoid build-up of greasy dirt and maintain moisture resistance; for most players, that will be 2-3 times per year. As I am the assigned editor/printer/general dog's body responsible for updating this guide (as well as every other print document), feel free to work as an unpaid editor to improve our care guide! Comments welcome! |
Author: | Clay S. [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
Most fingerboard oils,"lemon oils", bore oils, and even Howard's feed and wax are mostly mineral oil. Some have a small percentage of wax and fragrance added. I've used Howards on old furniture. As Hesh mentioned, it will clean off the old grime and give a nice appearance to the surface. |
Author: | Woodie G [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
I am not sure there is all that much mineral oil in Howard's, if allowed to separate, there is a lot of wax in the mix - close to 3/4 volume by the look of some of the stored bottles of the stuff; the Howard's Butcher Block Conditioner is about 90% mineral oil by volume, while the orange polish is about 10% per NIH. There seems to be much more wax in the Feed and Wax than in either of those products, so it's time to dash off a note to Howards! The high wax content is one of the reasons why we like it a lot better than the Stewart MacDonald fretboard dressing (mostly drying oils) or the scented oil stuff sold as fretboard dressing . https://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=119 |
Author: | Nils [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
This always seems to be a surprisingly controversial topic. I make my own mixture for fingerboards using roughly equal parts bee's wax to mineral oil, with as little mineral spirits as I can use to get it to all melt together. Heat also helps it melt. I add a few drops of eucalyptus oil too for scent. I apply a wet coat, let sit a min or two, wipe off. Wait an hour or two, then buff it out with a rag. |
Author: | ernie [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
I use 75% boiled linseed oil and naptha or paint thinner , I apply with cloth, apply vigourously heating up the wood slightly, wait, let it soak in and buff with 0000, steel wool polishes the FB, solvent cleans up gunk/ residue, for added shine on ebony add wax ( canning wax works)an buff out with cloth. I use red rouge on a buff in a dremel. Be careful to properly dispose rags soaked in linseed , can cause combustion I soak rag in water when done. |
Author: | Clay S. [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
"I am not sure there is all that much mineral oil in Howard's, if allowed to separate, there is a lot of wax in the mix - close to 3/4 volume by the look of some of the stored bottles of the stuff;" Looking at the MSDS there is somewhere between 75 to 125% (humor intended) petroleum distillates in "feed n wax". Some of it might be parafin . |
Author: | Woodie G [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
Thank you for locating an MSDS with detailed ingredient percentages! I was not able to find an MSDS from Chemtrec (Howard's manufacturer) that went beyond the basic hazardous ingredient breakout, and no percentages given on those ingredients or orange oil, waxes, etc. If you could post that link, it would be very helpful to me in editing the 'Hazards In the Shop' section of the guide. I simply do not understand why manufacturers do not give complete information on their web site for product users. |
Author: | Marn99 [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
Thanks for the responses everyone! |
Author: | jfmckenna [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
I'm guessing that you all apply this stuff after fretting correct? |
Author: | Clay S. [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
http://www.omniserv.com.tw/howardMSDS/Feed_N_Wax.pdf http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/sh ... p?t=494768 I couldn't find the one I originally found, but here are a couple that are similar. The ranges of percentages are a little tighter, but still vary pretty wildly. |
Author: | Mike2E [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
I use an Australian lemon oil which is 100% plant based. It is great for removing finger grime and leaves a good shine. |
Author: | Marn99 [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
jfmckenna wrote: I'm guessing that you all apply this stuff after fretting correct? Yes, I still have to order the frets though, I was just asking so that I can order fingerboard finish when I order the frets. |
Author: | Alex Kleon [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oiling a fingerboard |
Has anyone used Behlen Fingerboard Oil? I bought a bottle at a wood turner's supply shop yesterday. Alex |
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