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Author: | cwood3 [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
Hi, Been around here for a long time sponging up information, first time poster. I've made two acoustic guitars, buying sides pre-bent (Martin 000-style) with relative success. Been building solid body electrics for years. Not a seller, just a guy that builds and finds a free home for instruments and tube amps (...and bamboo fly rods). Here is what I want to do. I am going to focus on Martin style (D28) dreadnoughts for the next few years, nothing else. I'd like to attempt to get good at one thing only for now. So, I want to build a side bending machine...for Martin-style dreds. I want to stay as close to pre-war spec as is reasonable....reasonable. I'm just wondering who, if anybody, has the best set of plans for a Martin-style dreadnought, since that is what the bender will be used for. I'm speaking of a "Fox type" using heating blanket, slats, etc. Also, is there any big advantage in using Baltic birch ply as opposed to box store birch plywood? I'm gentle on tools and not in a production environment, but I like quality/effectiveness as much as the next guy. I guess an accurate guitar plan/drawing is really my main concern at this point. That will guide my thoughts and pre-build/tool-up efforts. I'm in no hurry and budget is secondary (but I like building my own tools/jigs). Thanks for any thoughts or input. curtis |
Author: | Glen H [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
There is no need to waste money on Baltic plywood for a bender. I've used birch lumber store plywood and mdf. If you go to Mike Doolins website you'll see his was made of particle board. |
Author: | kencierp [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
A single purpose side bender heated with a blanket is a very simple device -- here's one used at the Whetstone School of Lutherie. Make sure to have a timer in the circuit! http://acousticguitarconstructionforum. ... ?f=8&t=104 |
Author: | Ken Lewis [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
What the others have said. Here's your plan, as good as they come. http://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Blueprint ... _Plan.html Ken |
Author: | Cal Maier [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
Check out John Hall at Bluescreek Guitars. He will have everything you will need to build the bender and I'm sure he can provide you with a period correct tracing of a pre-war D-28 guitar. Great to deal with and good prices. Cal |
Author: | Jeff Highland [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
If you are using a silicone blanket, rather than light bulbs, you might as well go to a solid form rather than sides with bars between. Gives you better support. Other than that , I use one like kenceirp shows with everything attached to the bending form rather than a separate frame. |
Author: | Clinchriver [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
cwood3 wrote: Hi, Been around here for a long time sponging up information, first time poster. I've made two acoustic guitars, buying sides pre-bent (Martin 000-style) with relative success. Been building solid body electrics for years. Not a seller, just a guy that builds and finds a free home for instruments and tube amps (...and bamboo fly rods). Here is what I want to do. I am going to focus on Martin style (D28) dreadnoughts for the next few years, nothing else. I'd like to attempt to get good at one thing only for now. So, I want to build a side bending machine...for Martin-style dreds. I want to stay as close to pre-war spec as is reasonable....reasonable. I'm just wondering who, if anybody, has the best set of plans for a Martin-style dreadnought, since that is what the bender will be used for. I'm speaking of a "Fox type" using heating blanket, slats, etc. Also, is there any big advantage in using Baltic birch ply as opposed to box store birch plywood? I'm gentle on tools and not in a production environment, but I like quality/effectiveness as much as the next guy. I guess an accurate guitar plan/drawing is really my main concern at this point. That will guide my thoughts and pre-build/tool-up efforts. I'm in no hurry and budget is secondary (but I like building my own tools/jigs). Thanks for any thoughts or input. curtis John Arnold has a very accurate tracing of his 1937 Herringbone D-28. John Halls 1937 template by Waldron Instruments is really close to the Arnold tracing and John Halls exterior molds fit the template perfectly. Good Luck |
Author: | cwood3 [ Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
Thanks all, I shall heed the above |
Author: | Dave Rickard [ Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
Cal Maier wrote: Check out John Hall at Bluescreek Guitars. He will have everything you will need to build the bender and I'm sure he can provide you with a period correct tracing of a pre-war D-28 guitar. Great to deal with and good prices. Cal ^^^^^^^^^^^^ what he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
Author: | Dave Rickard [ Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
Jeff Highland wrote: If you are using a silicone blanket, rather than light bulbs, you might as well go to a solid form rather than sides with bars between. Gives you better support. Other than that , I use one like kenceirp shows with everything attached to the bending form rather than a separate frame. I tried the bulbs and had problems then tried a blanket from John Hall and never looked back. |
Author: | kencierp [ Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
All our production benders are heated internally with light bulbs -- the trick if you will, is to capture "all the heat", messing with and inside slat beside being a PIA is simply not effective. Our forms are lined with aluminum and permanently covered with aluminum. which is a quantum improvement. ![]() |
Author: | Colin North [ Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
I think so too. Use 550 watts of bulbs until around 150, then the blanket goes on, with both on until about 220/250 depending, then cut the bulbs back to minimum on the rheostat. Have to switch them off around 20 degrees before max. temp is reached though or it overshoots. For better support underneath the side, I use 2 bottom slats, holding spring tension on the lowest one. I find this seems to help with cuping, especially if I have some rift to flat sawn pieces and am using damp paper rather than spritzing the sides. |
Author: | Mike OMelia [ Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
+1 for John Hall. I used to love jig building, and I built a lot of them. John is a got resource for this stuff and much more. |
Author: | cwood3 [ Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Single Purpose Bending Machine Questions |
OK, so I am getting the tracing from J. Hall. |
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