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Author: | johnparchem [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Neck Reset Alt./Heel Seperation Troubleshooting |
That little gap is multiplied about two in terms of action at the 12th fret. Is this a dovetail joint? If so the dovetail itself should hold the neck on the rims, and the glue only needs to be in the joint not the heel to the rims. I am not the best repair person, but if this happened on my guitar I would pull the neck and refit the dovetail. If it is a bolt on tighten the back bolt. |
Author: | thelonious#9 [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Neck Reset Alt./Heel Seperation Troubleshooting |
Thanks John, that is why I am confused because the dovetail was tight, no gaps all the way down the heel with a .002 feeler gauge. I honestly and regrettably can't remember if I used titebond or hide glue but if it was hide, maybe it failed from being too thick. |
Author: | David Collins [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Neck Reset Alt./Heel Seperation Troubleshooting |
If it's a dovetail, you can't really blame glue failure. The dovetail joint itself is supposed to do 100% of the work holding the heel to the shoulders, and all the glue is there for is to keep it from sliding apart upward. Looks to me like the dovetail was not as tight as it initially appeared - not uncommon, as dovetail fit can be a deceiving element with a fair learning curve to be able to accurately gauge the fit throughout the joint. No way around it if you want to do it right. Time to steam it apart, clean, shim, and refit the dovetail. |
Author: | meddlingfool [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Neck Reset Alt./Heel Seperation Troubleshooting |
I'd guess your dovetail was loose from the get go, but the glue was keeping it in place, and has now either creeped or moved from RH. The fix requires pulling the neck and shimming the tail of the dovetail. Just a small square 1/4 x 1/4" is all that's needed. ![]() |
Author: | johnparchem [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Neck Reset Alt./Heel Seperation Troubleshooting |
I do not set too many dovetail joints but when I do while setting the neck I chalk the mortise. Then set the neck and check where there is contact on the tenon cheeks. I want contact along the entire tenon. While setting the neck I will only remove wood that has chalk on it. When I do it correctly when the neck is even with the top I have full contact along both tenons. I was taught if set properly you should be able to string up a guitar with no glue in the joint. |
Author: | meddlingfool [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Neck Reset Alt./Heel Seperation Troubleshooting |
Yup. |
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