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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Binding ID |
Sorry, no pictures. One of my cousins showed up with a Paul Reed Smith custom acoustic. Beautiful. The binding looked like curly maple at first glance. But the dark light alternation was took much for that. Very high definition bands. Any body know what this might be? I'm asking him to send me pics |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
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| Author: | Tom West [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Mike: Looks like curly Maple to me. But I'm not very good at the guess the wood on the computer screen game. Tom |
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| Author: | DennisK [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
99% sure that's curly maple. Probably a combination of really good intense curl, and the finish used that makes the contrast so clear. My guess is that epoxy was the first thing to go on the wood. Also possible, especially considering that it's PRS, is that they used their stain-and-sand technique that they use on their electrics to enhance grain figure. Stain soaks deeper into the endgrain bands of the curl than the side grain, so lightly sanding leaves alternating dark and light. |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Probably well curly maple, epoxy fill or stained, from the toning. |
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| Author: | Haans [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Looks like flamed maple to me. Don't see anything special about it. |
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| Author: | Ken Lewis [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
For sure maple. Here's one with bindings off cut from the other Ken |
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| Author: | Ben-Had [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
One can achieve that effect on curly maple binding with EIR B/S by sanding the rosewood dust into the maple. IMO, it's a nice effect and I have used it on several guitars. |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Ok, I agree that it's curly maple. And thanks for the tip about sanding in some dark wood dust. Perchance, does anybody know what finish PRS uses? Mike |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Clear Urethane according to this http://www.prsguitars.com/detail/finish.html# And from the FAQ's, In our history, most of our instruments have been finished with a polyester basecoat and acrylic urethane topcoat. We feel acrylic urethane looks and feels the close to the old nitrocellulose finishes but avoided the issue of future finish checking. Several PRS models, including our Sunburst, Satin, Modern Eagles, and DGT models use a nitrocellulose finish in order to provide the classic feel and tone of vintage instruments. In 2010, PRS Guitars introduced its new V12 finish. This finish was developed over 12 years, and it is intended as a midpoint between nitro and acrylic with a classic feel all its own. V12 is extremely thin to allow the guitar to resonate, but it is still incredibly durable with no risk of reacting to leather or guitar stands in a negative way. |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
From PRS's FAQs on their site: 6. What kind of finish does PRS use? In our history, most of our instruments have been finished with a polyester basecoat and acrylic urethane topcoat. We feel acrylic urethane looks and feels the close to the old nitrocellulose finishes but avoided the issue of future finish checking. Several PRS models, including our Sunburst, Satin, Modern Eagles, and DGT models use a nitrocellulose finish in order to provide the classic feel and tone of vintage instruments. In 2010, PRS Guitars introduced its new V12 finish. This finish was developed over 12 years, and it is intended as a midpoint between nitro and acrylic with a classic feel all its own. V12 is extremely thin to allow the guitar to resonate, but it is still incredibly durable with no risk of reacting to leather or guitar stands in a negative way. |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Snap Hesh! |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
On another thread, Waddy posted some pictures of a guitar with Curly Sycamore. I'm wondering if the ID I'm looking for is Sycamore, not Maple? Here are more pics of the guitar in question: |
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| Author: | ZekeM [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Sycamore is a broad term and I believe that some maple in Europe is called sycamore. So I'd still bet it's a curly maple binding |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Just checked out the PRS site and went through the specs for their acoustics. Nearly half of them use curly maple as binding and the others don't use anything else that looks like maple or Sycamore. As such - it still looks like maple to me... |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Thanks all. Good thing too, I just ordered a bunch of curly maple! |
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| Author: | Colin North [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
I believe they are both the same family, Acer. Maple seems to be a bit harder, heavier and stronger than Sycamore. |
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| Author: | dzsmith [ Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Even though American Sycamore bends easily, I think it would be too soft for binding. The local wood I have used is quite soft. Never heard of sanding rosewood dust into Maple. Sound's like a cool experiment I may try. |
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| Author: | JasonMoe [ Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Curly Koa can sometimes look golden. It is typically a darker tone than Maple, more brownish. Sycamore is typically lighter than Maple. I'm guessing its Maple also. Some trees are lighter and some are redder and even browner toned. |
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| Author: | Tim Mullin [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Colin North wrote: I believe they are both the same family, Acer. Maple seems to be a bit harder, heavier and stronger than Sycamore. Have to be careful here. In North America, the name "sycamore" usually refers to species in the genus Platanus -- this genus is not in the same Family or Order as the maple genus, Acer. The wood from the American sycamore (P. occidentalis) is certainly softer than sugar/rock maple (Acer saccharum), but still a good substitute for many other species of Acer and has rather nice ray figure and makes attractive binding. In Europe, species of Platanus are usually referred to as "plane tree". The North American P. occidentalis and the European P. orientalis, as well as their hybrid (known as the "London plane") are especially popular for street planting, as they tolerate urban conditions and pollution. I've seen them planted in cities around the globe. The confusion with names comes from the European native Acer pseudoplatanus often being referred to in parts of Europe as "sycamore". The common names "sycamore maple" and "false plane" are also used and much less confusing. The leaves of A. pseudoplatanus are a dead ringer for the leaves of sycamores, hence the name. Despite the frequent similarity in leaf shape, the two genera are dead easy to tell apart: the leaves on maples always occur along the shoot in opposite pairs, whereas sycamore leaves are borne singly, alternating along the shoot |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Tim Mullin wrote: The confusion with names comes from the European native Acer pseudoplatanus often being referred to in parts of Europe as "sycamore". The common names "sycamore maple" and "false plane" are also used and much less confusing. I believe only the English speaking part of Europe refers to Acer pseudoplatanus as "sycamore", and I believe they also call it "London Plane". In Scaninavia the name for maple is "lønn", Acer pseudoplatanus is "platanlønn". In German it is called Ahorn / Bergahorn, or Falsche Platane ("false plane"). I don't speak any of the Latin-derived languages, but google translate suggests names that seem to be closer to the Latin name. That cleared a lot of things up, I'm sure 
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| Author: | Tim Mullin [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Arnt Rian wrote: I believe only the English speaking part of Europe refers to Acer pseudoplatanus as "sycamore" Of course you're quite right, Arnt. I remember well my first trip to Oxford in the UK, soon after graduating with my forestry degree in Canada in the 70's. A lecturer there wanted to show me their "sycamore", and I quite pompously corrected him and said, "No, that's a maple". Given the different English common names on both sides of the Atlantic, we were both right. (He knew exactly what he was doing when he baited me, and I fell for it.) Arnt Rian wrote: and I believe they also call it "London Plane". No, that part is not correct. "Plane" trees in Europe are all species of Platanus, never Acer. The name "London plane" usually refers to the hybrid (P. occidentalis x P. orientalis), which is the commonly used horticultural variety used for street planting in Europe. There's a good reason why we use recognized Latin names when publishing in science -- I also use Latin scientific names in my build records to describe the woods used in my guitars. |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ID |
Hi Tim, thanks for the correction. I certainly agree that referring to Latin names is a good idea, as illustrated by this discussion  Sent fra min SM-G900F via Tapatalk |
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