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Author:  Graham Steward [ Sat May 31, 2014 10:16 am ]
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Hello everyone,

I have some headstock veneers that have my logo inlayed into them and I want to make a headstock that is painted black with the inlay showing of course. How do you go about painting the veneer black and still have the inlay showing?

Thanks!
Author:  Lonnie J Barber [ Sat May 31, 2014 10:31 am ]
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Wax the inlay. Mask it. Anything you can remove without destroying the integrity of your headstock


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Author:  kencierp [ Sat May 31, 2014 10:38 am ]
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Liquid mask:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXC099

Or Frisket from an art supply store, in my view using wax could contaminate the entire surface making the finishing job very difficult.
Author:  Graham Steward [ Sat May 31, 2014 10:45 am ]
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Thanks for the responses guys.
Author:  RusRob [ Sat May 31, 2014 11:05 am ]
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kencierp wrote:
Liquid mask:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXC099

Or Frisket from an art supply store, in my view using wax could contaminate the entire surface making the finishing job very difficult.


Yes LIquid Mask would be my choice. You can also use regular Elmers glue as the same thing. When you are ready to remove it just scrape off part of it and use water to remove the rest. It is the poor mans Liquid Mask. [:Y:]
Author:  twick [ Sat May 31, 2014 8:45 pm ]
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I use scotch tape. Put on a layer, exacto knife around the edge and it peals off easily.
Author:  Goat Rock Ukulele [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:01 am ]
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others have said how to do it but in my opinion it is not a very viable thing to do and difficult to make look flawless. If you want it black you should set you inlays in ebony or mask the pearl and warm the headstock with a hair dryer to get the surface really dry and use a black water based stain like a fret board stain then sand any little bit of stain that got on the pearl off very carefully. You can touch up the stain with a super small brush of the type used in spotting photographs.
Author:  kencierp [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:37 am ]
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The repair guys/gals will know better, but I believe Gibson has used the masking technique as a general practice. Inlay, mask, black lacquer, clear coat -- at least that is how it looks to me?
Author:  Graham Steward [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:14 am ]
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kencierp wrote:
The repair guys/gals will know better, but I believe Gibson has used the masking technique as a general practice. Inlay, mask, black lacquer, clear coat -- at least that is how it looks to me?



I would be interested to know how Gibson does it if anyone knows for sure.
Author:  Frank Ford [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:11 am ]
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A generally accepted method is to mask the inlay, but not to count on it actually working. Then black lacquer over everything, and very carefully scraped off the inlay, just the same way as you would do the binding. Clear coat to fill, level and make the scratches disappear. Makes ebony seem like the easy way, but then, maybe it was also a matter of saving material cost for Gibson and others.
Author:  RusRob [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:59 pm ]
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What ever method you decide to use... Practice on a scrap before you do it on your guitar. As Mr. Ford stated "not to count on it actually working" with experience on his side, he does know what he speaks of.

Most anything you mask it with will probably end up with some bleed through that you will end up having to scrape back. So trial and error will give you the experience to know what will happen on the final product.

Bob
Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:19 pm ]
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It is all about planning and prep. I will showy method when i get time.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:37 pm ]
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This is black paint over holly veneer. The inlays are white pearl.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:40 pm ]
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As you can see I went a little overboard with the veneer.
Seriously though, the cutouts are oversized for a reason.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:45 pm ]
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After the veneer is carefully positioned on the paddle, it will absorb the moisture from the glue and set pretty well. Maybe 30 minutes later i remove the clamps and set the inlay pieces in place like this. Then i reapply the clamps


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:47 pm ]
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Mix the mastic, epoxy wit leather dye


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:49 pm ]
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Dribble it in so it fills the spaces.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:51 pm ]
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Sand it level. Like this.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:53 pm ]
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Spray right over it. Some may use a spare blank to mask but i dont.



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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:56 pm ]
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When the lacquer is not sticky an not too brittle it is time to scrape. In the right light it becomes visible.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:00 pm ]
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Now you can see that this would be pretty tricky if the inlay has no black mastic around it. With practice i have learned to get pretty close. I use a pointed violinmakers knife.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:03 pm ]
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Yep, then as Frank wrote, you spray lacquer over and sand back to level it. Look at old Gibbies. You will see the mastic.


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Author:  Ken McKay [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:06 pm ]
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Finished.


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Author:  Graham Steward [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:49 pm ]
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Thanks for the tutorial Ken.
Author:  Ken McKay [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:28 pm ]
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You are welcome.


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