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Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Sun May 18, 2014 10:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
...Not really bloody, but quite close. After having some issues with my Resaw King, I went back to the Woodmaster CT. Took a fresh, brand new blade out of the box on friday afternoon. Put it on my saw, adjusted everything and started resawing the sides for my current BRW resawing project. Everything worked perfect, I resawed about 50 side sets, working friday evening, the complete saturday and this sunday morning. What better than resawing some BRW on a sunny sunday morning....I had one billet still left over for resawing, so I started this morning. The blade was still working perfect, the cut flawless, no drifting, no strange noises, the surface quality very nice, no wobbling. Al systems go. I had just done the last cut for the last side of BRW, really the very last side had just came off the saw, I took it and turned around for putting it away on the stash, also having a small fast look at it. I did not turn off the saw immediately, but luckily I was away from the saw, only 3 or 4 feet, but at least not next to it. Suddenly out of nothing there was a big bang ![]() For a sunday morning this was quite exciting... What do you think? Me and my brother have the same opinion, since the blade broke where it broke, we somehow assume there was a mistake in the blade or the weld, or during the welding. This is also the very first Woodmaster CT which ever broke, and I am using the same tension on all of them. Tomorrow I will contact the company where I bought these baldes, I hope they will cooperate and send me a new blade. Cheers, Alex |
Author: | mkellyvrod [ Sun May 18, 2014 11:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Very scary!! Glad you were not injured. |
Author: | James Ringelspaugh [ Sun May 18, 2014 11:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
I had a similar experience last week... a Woodmaster CT that was nearing the end of its life. I started to hear and feel just the hint of a little 'thok thok thok' while cutting a side set and knew it would break soon so I thought I would get through that one cut and switch blades. About 5 seconds later it sounded like a shotgun went off when it broke. It looked just like yours but the break was nowhere near the weld. It gave me quite a jolt. |
Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Sun May 18, 2014 11:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Hello James, mine was not close to his end of life ![]() Seriously, I had only resawn 50 sides of BRW, this is for the CT like nothing. Also that it tear apart so close to the weld makes me wondering and thinking,..... and to be honest, just hoping I get a new one for free. Cheers, Alex |
Author: | RusRob [ Sun May 18, 2014 12:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Alex Lucky is all you can say. I am sure having one pop right in front of you would be scary. You said: Quote: After having some issues with my Resaw King, I went back to the Woodmaster CT. I am curious what issues you had with the RK? I just picked up my new Laguna and I ordered a 1" RK with it. I just un-crated the saw and it isn't even put together yet. Just getting the 220 line installed tomorrow and I should have it up and running soon. I am wondering if I should order a CT for a backup blade. Cheers, Bob |
Author: | meddlingfool [ Sun May 18, 2014 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
RusRob, which Laguna? |
Author: | Goat Rock Ukulele [ Sun May 18, 2014 2:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
It's hard to know but it may have gotten stressed there during the welding. Very unlikely in the manufacturing of the blade as blade stock was sent to seller you bought it from in I think 200' or larger rolls. Send it back. I have over tensioned the 1/2" trimester blades and had them snap. |
Author: | RusRob [ Sun May 18, 2014 5:29 pm ] |
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meddlingfool wrote: RusRob, which Laguna? I got the 14" SUV. http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2083658/35880/Laguna-14-Bandsaw-3-HP-Leeson-Motor-LT14-SUV.aspx Took 2 people to help get it out of my truck and into the shop. Unbelievably sturdy thing it is.... Can't wait to get it set up and running. Cheers, Bob |
Author: | WudWerkr [ Sun May 18, 2014 6:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
I would say that the blade was heated to hot or annealed improperly during the welding process and caused a change in the temper of the blade at that point . That having been said , in the last 10 yrs I have seen a severe drop in the quality of steel in the USA and im sure its world wide . That affects the bandsaw blade companies as well |
Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Mon May 19, 2014 12:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Lenox Europe is blaming the welder, the welder is blaming the blade material. Nobody feels responsible for this, and also both are not showing any sign of interest in what happened. Sad but true... |
Author: | Murray Hunt [ Mon May 19, 2014 5:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Herr D. Sorry to hear about your woes with the blade. Any chance you can show us a shot of that stack of BRW sides? Would love to see what that blade was working on... ![]() |
Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Tue May 20, 2014 3:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Hello Murray, I have not yet taken pictures of the material, but I will do so asap. Cheers, alex |
Author: | Dave Higham [ Tue May 20, 2014 4:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
I'd say the fault was in the steel. I used to work with a bandsaw cutting tool steel up to 4" thick. We welded our own blades using a welder attached to the bandsaw. When the blades broke (often) it was on the weld or next to it in a part that had been heated in welding and not correctly annealed. That blade obviously broke outside the heated area. |
Author: | windsurfer [ Tue May 20, 2014 7:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
goodonya getting your alias past the sensors at Sawmill Creek. They wouldn't even let me register under my real name because they claimed it was an alias. You would think that woodworkers would get Dalbergia, but I guess not. BTW, to me it looks like the problem is from the weld process overheating the band - a manufacturing defect -jd |
Author: | SteveG [ Wed May 21, 2014 11:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Herr Dalbergia wrote: Lenox Europe is blaming the welder, the welder is blaming the blade material. Nobody feels responsible for this, and also both are not showing any sign of interest in what happened. Sad but true... They both have agreed that this break shouldn't have happened. That's good. Send it back, asking them to stand behind the product that they sold you. At the very least they should cut out a few feet near the weld where the damage is, (both sides of the break), and then weld in another piece. You'd have a blade with two welds, but it would be fine for a spare, or to use in a pinch. For the amount of hassle fooling around with this blade they may just send a replacement. If they lose the blade after sitting it in a corner while they decide what to do, ask them for a replacement. Be firm and polite. I think it's definitely worth pursuing. |
Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Thu May 22, 2014 4:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
@Murray: here are the sides, the other picture is showing the backs. Still no answer from the manufacturer or the welder / dealer...already send a friendly reminder asking where to ship back the blade, but seems like they do not even respond on this question anymore...well....you know this one epic record from the starting 90th....Nevermind. Cheers, Alex |
Author: | Don Williams [ Sat May 24, 2014 4:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Herr Dalbergia wrote: Hello James, mine was not close to his end of life ![]() Seriously, I had only resawn 50 sides of BRW.... Is that all? Okay, I'm envious. |
Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Mon May 26, 2014 2:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Justice for all...... I will get a new blade for free... But of course I told the company, and also will do so, if they show me it was my fault, I will pay it. Gentlemen agreement... |
Author: | Beth Mayer [ Tue May 27, 2014 5:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Too bad StewMac doesn't sell those blades….there would be no questions asked and no hassle of sending it back (unless they paid for it) and you'd already have your new one by now! |
Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Tue May 27, 2014 11:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Yes, i have to admit, customer service, in a positive, helpfull way is as rare as a dodge charger here in Germany. We have some, but only a few.... |
Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
Ok.... so...the European Lenox branch office and the German responsible agent decided that I get a new blade for free, which was shipped from the workshop in Poland via the German distributor to me... Not joking....Netherlands to Germany to Germany to Poland to Germany to me...not the blade itself, but just the decision. Anyhow, I have a new blade, that's nice. |
Author: | ernie [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sunday Bloody Sunday..... |
I thought customer service in n. america for most big companies had died and gone to heaven.Glad that you were redeemed an got a new BS blade alex . That BRW looks vy sweet all bookmatched and sequenced. |
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