Official Luthiers Forum!
http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/

Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander
http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=43321
Page 1 of 1

Author:  uvh sam [ Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

Any one owned/used a grizzly 18" wide belt sander?
I friend is looking at getting one but I noticed the specs said its minimum thickness was only 1/8".
I would want it to go lower if possible. Any thoughts?
Also how does it compare with drum sanders in the 2500 dollar range

Author:  Toonces [ Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

I routinely sand down to 0.030" on this machine without problems - you may need to adjust the depth stops so that it doesn't cut off the motor -- the setup information will be explained in the manual.

As far as comparison goes -- drum sanders are great for finishing sanding; however, for stock removal, there is literally no comparison. The large belt keeps things cool and greatly prevents paper load up. I recently milled up 6 back/side sets of Cocobolo -- with a 80 grit belt - no load up whatsoever but I do have good dust collection. Also, I have been using this same 80 grit Zirconium belt for a long time and have thicknessed dozens of sets (mostly oily rosewoods) and there is still hardly any load up on the belt. In other words, massive performance gains over my previous drum sanders (Performax 22-44 and Woodmaster).

Author:  bluescreek [ Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

I also use one they are far better than any drum sander

Author:  meddlingfool [ Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

Does the grizzly oscillate at all?

Author:  uvh sam [ Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

I started out on a wood master drum sander and all I remember about it was how much I hated it. We upgraded to a time saver about ten years ago and haven't looked back.
But for new builders who are gonna make an investment time savers are out unless you can find a used one.
Sounds like most of you would recommend it so so will I.

Thanks for the info and if you have any tips or tricks for the grizzly I will relay them

Author:  Bobc [ Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

We have one in our shop along with a Timesaver. The Grizzly does oscillate and will work fine but you must have really good dust collection. Also pay attention to the amp meter and avoid going into the red zone. Overloading the machine by trying to take off too much material is not good for that Taiwan motor. Ask me how I know. :oops:

Author:  JasonM [ Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

Love mine. Has a few quirks, but nothing that can't be worked around. Main one is keeping the photoeye clear of dust, that controls the oscillation. When it blocks, the belt will track off the rollers, and and cause an emergency stop.

Author:  Toonces [ Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

I've never had a problem with the "eye" ever getting blocked by dust although I have heard this issue raised by others -- and I use this machine a lot. My guess is this is do to inadequate dust collection. These machines require a massive amount of air movement for proper dust collection.

Author:  Kelby [ Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

I have had one for a few years, and I've been happy with it. It's a huge step up from a drum sander. My only knock on it is that I've had problems with belt tracking -- the belts on mine tend to go past where they should and they trip the shut-off. I've adjusted everything there is to adjust, and I've spent hours on the phone with customer support. I've managed to make it better, but still far from perfect. It's an annoyance. But it's still miles better than a drum sander.

Author:  Bobc [ Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

JasonM wrote:
Love mine. Has a few quirks, but nothing that can't be worked around. Main one is keeping the photoeye clear of dust, that controls the oscillation. When it blocks, the belt will track off the rollers, and and cause an emergency stop.


I ran a airline with a small shutoff valve and have it pointed to the eye. Every once in a while I give it a short burst of air.

Author:  JasonM [ Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

Kelby wrote:
I have had one for a few years, and I've been happy with it. It's a huge step up from a drum sander. My only knock on it is that I've had problems with belt tracking -- the belts on mine tend to go past where they should and they trip the shut-off. I've adjusted everything there is to adjust, and I've spent hours on the phone with customer support. I've managed to make it better, but still far from perfect. It's an annoyance. But it's still miles better than a drum sander.



Kelby- that sounds like the blocked eye problem. If it gets dusted over, it thinks that the dust is the belt, so it sends the belt the other way until it runs off the rollers. Bob's permanently mounted air blast on the eye is a good one, or in my case, I just open the door and blast it with an air wand every 5 or so passes. I have been thinking I'll clean the eye with some Novus No. 1, which is a plastic polish that repells dust. I do have a 2HP dust collector right beside the sander, so it is pulling huge air, more than what is reccomended, but the eye still dusts over. If you open the right side door, and look up in the top right corner, you will see the offending eye.

Author:  Bobc [ Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

JasonM wrote:
Kelby wrote:
I have had one for a few years, and I've been happy with it. It's a huge step up from a drum sander. My only knock on it is that I've had problems with belt tracking -- the belts on mine tend to go past where they should and they trip the shut-off. I've adjusted everything there is to adjust, and I've spent hours on the phone with customer support. I've managed to make it better, but still far from perfect. It's an annoyance. But it's still miles better than a drum sander.



Kelby- that sounds like the blocked eye problem. If it gets dusted over, it thinks that the dust is the belt, so it sends the belt the other way until it runs off the rollers. Bob's permanently mounted air blast on the eye is a good one, or in my case, I just open the door and blast it with an air wand every 5 or so passes. I have been thinking I'll clean the eye with some Novus No. 1, which is a plastic polish that repells dust. I do have a 2HP dust collector right beside the sander, so it is pulling huge air, more than what is reccomended, but the eye still dusts over. If you open the right side door, and look up in the top right corner, you will see the offending eye.


Right on Jason. The eye will send that belt to the far left side so fast that the belt is shred before you have a chance to stop it. Pretty expensive problem.

Author:  Kelby [ Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

Thanks, Bob and Jason. I'll take a look next time it happens to see whether that's the problem.

Author:  bluescreek [ Thu May 01, 2014 6:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

When I got mine I had all kinds of issues. I had to rebuild this till we found that my problem was a cracked circuit board. Also the wiring had a mistake and the eye control circuit was backwards.
In the first 2 years I had it , I replaced all the motors. It wasn't until we found the cracked board and wiring mistake that it worked. I use a dryer sheet and rub the eye to help with the static cling of the dust. I do like Bob's air idea. Also the dust collection is mandatory .
Bob pointed out about the load meter , so be aware of that. When I sand I use a coarse grit first to get things close then finer grits to finish. You must be aware of heat build up. If the wood is getting warm You may be using too fine a grit or taking too much off. I try and keep my meter under 30% load.
The tracking arm can be adjusted as can the open side stop. The hits the break as to keep from tearing up the belt. I set mine up to hit the break right off the free swing on the oscillation cycle. This is a machine that is well worth an investment. I was frustrated with mine at first but you won't get it out of my shop now.
I also use sandpaper from Industrial Abrasives out of Reading. You can get a number of styles. They have one they call no loading. It is white and it is the only belt I use. I use 36 60 and 80 grit.

Author:  Linus [ Thu May 01, 2014 7:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts on grizzly 18 " wide belt sander

Wow. Is that machine $5300?? I haven't even bought my first bandsaw much less a 5K belt sander.

This could become a VERY expensive hobby.

Page 1 of 1 All times are UTC - 5 hours
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
http://www.phpbb.com/