In this case I would also go to Borson, or do it myself
Nice wood, have fun with it!!!!!
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Brazilian Rosewood |
I have a plank of brazilian, 11x86x1.75 that I acquired from a retired cabinet maker who acquired it from a cabinet shop that closed years ago. The wood was left over from a boardroom project for Illinois Power in the 50's or 60's. It still has a stencil mark on it indicating it was for that project. Before sending this off to be resawn, should I try to get Cites certification? I don't even know if it is possible or worth the effort. Anyone here have any experience with this? |
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| Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Hello, unfortunatelly I can not give you much advise, since I am living in europe, and I guess it might work different in every country. Basically you need a bill / paperwork where you can proof that it has been cut before 1992. Are the dimesnions in cm or in inches ???? Can you show some opictures, just for the fun of it... Cheers, Alex |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Here you go Alex. three planks all 1.75 inches thick. $30 bd ft got the job done. |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
That didn't work. A little help with the picture thing? |
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| Author: | DennisK [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Maybe the file size is too large? Limit is 250KB, I think. |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
2nd try |
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| Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Thank you, very nice! Do you already know where to send it for resawing? Borson Resaw? Cheers, Alex |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Yes, Alex, I'm thinking Borson. There is a high quality door maker locally who could probably do it, but Borson has so much experience with guitar woods. |
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| Author: | Herr Dalbergia [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
In this case I would also go to Borson, or do it myself Nice wood, have fun with it!!!!! |
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| Author: | Frank Ford [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Are you certain that it's Dalbergia nigra - i.e. does it pass the scratch-and-sniff test? I've seen lots of "rosewood" from Brazil that is not the correct species, and simply stenciled "Brasil" or some such. Kingwood comes to mind as a look-alike that's often passed off as D.n. Bear in mind that it's often not a matter of intentionally misleading anyone. As far as I know, the only definitive test available to lay folks like us is the smell. Dalbergia nigra has an absolutely distinctive, unmistakeable odor when sanded, cut or heated. |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Frank, it did, and the smaller pieces show that classic spider webbing. The long one is on the quarter, and appears to be a cut off of a live edge, but alas not wide enough for more than fingerboards and bridges. The smallest is mostly on the quarter and will yield some gorgeous sides. The big piece has some quarter moving to flat. It's pretty rough, so some light surfacing and end cuts to better read it. |
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| Author: | John Arnold [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Unless you plan on exporting it or selling it to Martin, IMHO there is no reason to get CITES paperwork. |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
John Hall has re-sawn several Brazilian rosewood planks for me with excellent results. |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Thanks, David. I've done business with John in the past, always first rate. And he's closer than California. Thanks for the tip. |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Thanks, John. I just didn't want to make any mistakes early on. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Bob Cefalu is also a good choice to get this stash cut up by. Nice looking wood there. |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
My strategey for resawing planks (Brazilian) has always been to have the entire piece cut into slabs (as per the judgement of the person doing the sawing) and to have everything thickness sanded out to about .110". This allows you then to pattern around the inevitable checks and other defects and freely assign pieces to backs or sides in such a way as to use the material to it's maximum advantage. |
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| Author: | Chrisk [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Thanks, David. Good advice. |
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| Author: | Alan Carruth [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
I'm told that 'papered' sets of BRW go for about twice as much as ones without the paper work. I'd imagine the guitar would be worth more, too, since you, or the buyer, would have the option of selling it over seas. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
I have a set with paperwork. Only problem is that the paperwork has an expiration date, and it expired last October. Kind of takes the fun out of buying for future use! |
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| Author: | Frank Ford [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Jeez - as if I NEEDED another reason to feel really old. I have a few pieces of Brazilian rosewood I bought from regular lumber dealers as far back as 1967, and some I got from sources that had it for decades before I came along. Papers? I've never seen official papers for any piece of wood. How does one certify that the wood in question actually matches up to the papers? |
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| Author: | Ken McKay [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
Frank. Frank this does not apply to me but I have heard of those who buy this type of wood accompanied by the proper paperwork and receipts and use that information for other wood. If you have proof and receipts that the wood was purchased before a certain date it is in fact completely legal Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ken |
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| Author: | Tony_in_NYC [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brazilian Rosewood |
There was a thread on here a while back about how to get CITES paperwork for wood that currently does not have it. You have to pay a fee (its the government, so that should go without saying) and then you have to explain where the wood came from. You may or may not get the certification, so it may not be worth the hassle. |
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