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Author:  the Padma [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Vibin the bieegebies out of it
So me came across this video of this fiddle make who refuses to use any
machinery cut his wood claiming the machines vibrations mess up the wood.

Then there are thems that strap aquarium pumps or other similar gadgets
to the bridge or strap a speaker to the back and pump in this that or the other frequency
and claim this helps to break her in.

Me ...well me talks to me wood, telling her what me want and expect from her...but then...never mind.

In principal these approaches should have some affect.

What say you?
Author:  Colin North [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Speechless.
Author:  Greg B [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
There is some evidence that changes are made to the wood at a cellular level as guitars and other stringed instruments break in. There is certainly evidence that measured parameters change. It's reasonable to assume this is from the vibration of being played, but there could be other factors.

I personally enjoy the sound developing as a new instrument gets played in. Trying to cheat this by using an aquarium pump or something is like buying pre-stressed blue jeans - i.e., cheesy.
Author:  RustySP [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Todd Stock wrote:
I think the fiddle maker's thing must be European in nature...known fact that 3450 (RPM) x 100 (number of teeth on standard metric table saw blade) results in sawing frequency of 3.45x10E5 Hz, which is a multiple of Kirchoff's Minimum Phase Change frequency, which defines the maximum fundamental for double precision integer values of Ksubt. As most Europeans are familiar with, Continental RPMs are 5/6th the size of US standard RPMS, so instead of operating at a multiple of the Phase Change frequency, these saws may - with just minor loading - slow to the frequency (as theorized by Oxford's Gerald Cut) capable of producing cellular disassociation in living tissues (and employed in the 1980s UK-based experiments on audio weapons - Kate Bush's UK hit/US flop 'Experiment IV' was based on rumors of this still classified project).

Given the adverse effects which were rumored to be associated with Cut's work for the UK MOD, there is little doubt that conspiracy hobbyists with a background in luthiery have assigned some value to the notion that this frequency - so easily generated in typical Eurozone workshops - might cause cellular-level damage to wood being processed for musical instruments.


+ What Todd said.
Author:  Spyder [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
I have a friend who for many years could swear he could feel a difference in his car after someone else drove it, especially if it was driven hard without his direct knowledge, but it would always go back to normal after he drove it a few days. I told him from all the work I did studying compressor life tests that machinery will take a set over time under constant operating conditions. There are tolerances to every dimension, and as things vibrate, wear, etc, the components will settle in to an equilibrium state. Change the test conditions, and the wear and contact patterns on the parts also change. Perhaps he was picking up on some of that. Possible, but machines made of metal are not instruments made of wood. So...

1) I believe the ones he makes without power tools sound better to him because he can hear them better, i.e. the power tools make his ears ring and he don't recover from it as fast as he did.

2) Maybe there really is some truth that red Corvettes are faster that brown Corvettes.
Author:  theguitarwhisperer [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Todd Stock wrote:
I think the fiddle maker's thing must be European in nature...known fact that 3450 (RPM) x 100 (number of teeth on standard metric table saw blade) results in sawing frequency of 3.45x10E5 Hz, which is a multiple of Kirchoff's Minimum Phase Change frequency, which defines the maximum fundamental for double precision integer values of Ksubt. As most Europeans are familiar with, Continental RPMs are 5/6th the size of US standard RPMS, so instead of operating at a multiple of the Phase Change frequency, these saws may - with just minor loading - slow to the frequency (as theorized by Oxford's Gerald Cut) capable of producing cellular disassociation in living tissues (and employed in the 1980s UK-based experiments on audio weapons - Kate Bush's UK hit/US flop 'Experiment IV' was based on rumors of this still classified project).

Given the adverse effects which were rumored to be associated with Cut's work for the UK MOD, there is little doubt that conspiracy hobbyists with a background in luthiery have assigned some value to the notion that this frequency - so easily generated in typical Eurozone workshops - might cause cellular-level damage to wood being processed for musical instruments.



I think you just made that up.

What does cellular dissociation in living tissues have to do with the non-living tissues of instrument wood?

KSUBT integer values don't translate at these levels.
Author:  the Padma [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
theguitarwhisperer wrote:

I think you just made that up.

What does cellular dissociation in living tissues have to do with the non-living tissues of instrument wood?




Ya...me thinks so to. laughing6-hehe
but hey...it sounds good.

The current thinking in physics is ~ all matter displays the phenomena known as consciousness.
A simple working definition of consciousness ~ the ability to receive a stimulation and respond there to. Sorta like in the posters "Wanted dead or alive" ~ it don't matter, laughing6-hehe all the while conceding the point that living mater may respond differently.

and thats the question me posing...just what may that response may be.
Author:  Hesh [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
the Padma wrote:

Me ...well me talks to me wood, telling her what me want and expect from her...but then...never mind.



What say you?


Maybe instead of "telling her...." you might consider asking her politely and even acting like you are listening to what she has to say even though your mind may be elsewhere. At least then when she completely ignores your requests you can blame it on Mars and Venus. :D Personally I never really understood the Mars and Venus thing instead believing that Uranus played a role too.... :D

And be careful dissing those Tonerite glorified aquarium pumps - since their inception they have solved a real and present problem for Loofiers. Prior to the advent of the Tonerite when we told our significant others that we spent a couple of bills on say a Fox bending machine it hurt a lot more to get hit in the head with the Fox flying across the room than it does now to get hit with a Tonerite! So not only is a Tonerite a major leap forward in domestic bliss for Loofiers in relationships... your health care provider would agree that a Tonerite is less life threatening... Then there is the cord.....
Author:  nyazzip [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Quote:
The current thinking in physics is ~ all matter displays the phenomena known as consciousness.


...whose physics...?
:ugeek:
Author:  the Padma [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
nyazzip wrote:
Quote:
The current thinking in physics is ~ all matter displays the phenomena known as consciousness.


...whose physics...?
:ugeek:


Ask google.
Author:  RusRob [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Fungus-Infected Violin Beats Stradivarius in Listening Test - Popular Science


http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-09/fungus-infected-violin-beats-stradivarius-listening-test
Author:  uvh sam [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
:lol: Hesh, I think the ol' lady would enjoy a tonerite more than it helps the tone of an instrument!
Author:  the Padma [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Ya don't say...thank you Flipo.

Personally me thinks its the residue of the electro magnetic energy field that is still displacing the electrosphere within the vehicle and that the dudes able to pick it up.


In actual reality and bottom line for both our answers depend on a sensor~ing ~ weather an adaptive electronics device or the dudes intuitive perception...same difference..just that westerners love relying more on their gadgets than their build in intuitive system of perception.

Funny eh but the army still uses long haired indigenous scouts. Wonder why? bliss
Author:  crich [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Every new acoustic instrument I ever bought or built seemed to improve for the first couple of months then started to sound not as good for a month, or so, then continued to improve from that point forward. idunno Clinton
Author:  the Padma [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
crich wrote:
Every new acoustic instrument I ever bought or built seemed to improve for the first couple of months then started to sound not as good for a month, or so, then continued to improve from that point forward. idunno Clinton



ah yes ...the cosmic sine wave...up and down, in and out the windows.
Author:  nyazzip [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vibin the bieegebies out of it
Quote:
Funny eh but the army still uses long haired indigenous scouts. Wonder why?


because they'll be the first to trip the wire on the IED...?
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