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Author:  Paul Burner [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
My box of Jet ready-to-cut sandpaper for my Performax 16-32 is just about gone.

Where do you get yours?

What brand(s) do you use?

What grits do you use?

I'm needing to replace some 100 grit that I use a lot to clean up boards (rosette leveling, final thicknessing, etc.)

Thanks
Author:  Paul Burner [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
Hey Filippo - I found your thread that talked about Econ Abrasives and comments.

Has your opinion changes any over time? And now have the Econ rolls worked for you for longevity and build-up compared to other brands you've used?

Thanks
Author:  WudWerkr [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
I dont go any finer than 80 grit on my machine. Usually hand sanding after that . Yes Econ is a decent product to buy . We sell it as well , I would need the width of the paper you use . Most paper has a "spec" number on the back , can you tell me what the number is?
Author:  WudWerkr [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
I thickness with 50G and final by hand or 80G but thats just me , I tend to thickness a bit thicker and then 80 after i get my rosette in and then hand sand to final thickness . If you go finer than 80G you have to just barely drop the drum and let it kiss the wood gently or it will fill quickly.

50 g will leave some deep grooves , thats why I leave it thicker . and finish with 80 . Im not saying thats best , it just what I do . Fillipos appraoch is a good one . 80 /120 yes . But again with 120G patience and light touch
Author:  Paul Burner [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
My 100-grit has the following number - although I'm not sure I want to replace with same grit or same stuff:

CS311 OC P100 X

489

Says Klingspor on the back also.
Author:  WudWerkr [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
Paul Burner wrote:
My 100-grit has the following number - although I'm not sure I want to replace with same grit or same stuff:

CS311 OC P100 X

489

Says Klingspor on the back also.



Paul , the material you have is a very good material . Klingspor is a German made Material if my memory serves me , and its a "X" weight cloth backing . They are known for good quality paper . Knowing that , I would say that the issue is taking to much of a bite and ANY grit above 80 will fill quickly and burn . Patience my friend


PS The one change I would make is The "OC" on the back is " Open Coat " You would do better with " CC " Closed coat The following is from Klingspor web site


I often come across folks using open coat/anti-static belts on their wide belt machines for sanding cherry, oak, ash or other hardwoods. They don’t really have any “problems” per se, but I do try to inform them of the benefits of using closed coat materials for hardwoods and open coat materials for soft woods only. They are sacrificing life and quality on their bare wood finish for no reason. KLINGSPOR ordinarily charges no more for open than closed coat, so it’s a shame for them to give up a finer finish and longer belt life for nothing.

By the same token we occasionally get calls from customers regularly using our open coat materials on their soft woods with excellent results, who at some point try to use it on cherry or oak and call to complain about burning. Well, you have only 50-70% of the grain trying to do 100% of the work and you have made no adjustment to the grit sequence. All of these factors are going to be conducive to burning not only of the abrasive but often on the workpiece as well. You are in essence, overworking the open coated belt, and the excess heat results in burning.

The best solution is to use the right tool for the job. Use closed coats on hard materials and use open coats on soft materials. Open coat materials will have an “OC” on the back ordinarily, so they aren’t hard to keep separated and are readily identifiable to shop employees.
Author:  Paul Burner [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
Then if what I have is good - and Filippo likes the Econ stuff better - I may try that - and a lighter touch and more patience! HA.

Hey Filippo - why 120g? I've been using 60g to get "in the ballpark" and then 100g to flatten down things like rosette inlays, etc.

I have no significant basis on why I chose those other than the 120g seemed to load up really fast for me.
Author:  WudWerkr [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
Paul Burner wrote:
Then if what I have is good - and Filippo likes the Econ stuff better - I may try that - and a lighter touch and more patience! HA.

Hey Filippo - why 120g? I've been using 60g to get "in the ballpark" and then 100g to flatten down things like rosette inlays, etc.

I have no significant basis on why I chose those other than the 120g seemed to load up really fast for me.



Paul , your choice is 60/100 is fine , but buy " closed coat " rolls and less bite and you will be fine
Author:  Paul Burner [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
WudWerkr wrote:
Paul , your choice is 60/100 is fine , but buy " closed coat " rolls and less bite and you will be fine



Thanks Jim!
Author:  Paul Burner [ Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Perfomax 16-32 ready-to-cut paper roll source?
Thanks for the help James in getting me some paper rolls to try!
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