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| Author: | ernie [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Brace shaving tool. |
Am wondering if there was a faster way to shave braces.I used a marples 1in bluechip old chisel ground to 25 deg (like in the gore book) in conjunction with several flat swiss 1in 3/4in and 1/2in # 1 carving chisels it seems slow to me .What are you using, and does it go very quickly. signed very impatient  Thanks.
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| Author: | John Mayes [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
small, 10mm I think, flat sole ibex plane. And don't be in a rush to get past one of the most important and enjoyable parts of building. |
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| Author: | klooker [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I think a chisel of some sort is the fastest but it's a matter of technique. I'm slow because I'm not that sure of my ability & don't want to damage the top or go too deep on a brace. I saw a woman at the Martin factory who looked like someone's grandmother take huge but controlled cuts with a bent chisel. I'd say she was at least 5x faster then me at my best. Kevin Looker |
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| Author: | Chuck Gilbert [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I agree with John - don't be in a hurry. This is where much of the voicing of the entire guitar is done so you want to remove a little, tap and listen, repeat. I use both the flat sole and the convex (the rounded bottom) Ibex finger planes as well as chisels, sandpaper, scrapers, etc. - whatever will give me the most feel for the wood. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I'll say it again! Stephen Boone finger planes. Perfect for brace shaving. http://www.studioboone.com/guitars/fingerplane.html |
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| Author: | PeterF [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
Phillip Patton's brace carving chisel! viewtopic.php?f=10133&t=37220&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=50 Edit: I don't mean I use one, unfortunately, but that is obviously the best! 
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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
My main tool is a 1" chisel with the corners rounded off to prevent marking the top if it slips. I picked this tip up at a workshop at the 2011 A.S.I.A. I also have a couple small planes that are used a bit, but the chisel gets most of the work done. Fred |
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| Author: | LarryH [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
PeterF wrote: Missed that thread but now that I've seen every page and every video I'm speechless. What a work of art - I had no idea such things were even possible. Not sure if I would carve with one of those or just hang it on the wall. To the topic. I use a chisel and have very little experience but the last brace set went pretty fast and was also, as was mentioned, very enjoyable. I use a Japanese chisel that I received as a gift so I know very little about it other than it's really sharp and that, of course, makes the task easier than it could be. |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
PeterF wrote: Ha! Awesome! |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I really like using my LMI chisels and Lie-Nielsen Model Maker's Plane for this. Their convex sole Model Maker's Plane and the Violin Maker's Plane look pretty cool, too. http://www.lie-nielsen.com/catalog.php?cat=504 |
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| Author: | Pat Foster [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I've shown it before and I'll show it again, an old spokeshave originally sold as part of an X-acto kit, but now available separately as a Zona spokeshave at Tower Hobbies and other places.Not real fast, but it can be held in such a way that your fingers act as guides to keep the tool on the brace, and it can reach down the side of a brace almost to the top (or back). There may be better tools for this, but I've been using this one since the mid-70s and haven't found anything I like better. Attachment: zonr3320.jpg Attachment: picture-28.jpg Pat |
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| Author: | sdsollod [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I learned from John Mayes that the 10mm, flat sole, Ibex finger plane works great! ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up") Steve |
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| Author: | LarryH [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
Pat Foster wrote: I've shown it before and I'll show it again, an old spokeshave originally sold as part of an X-acto kit, but now available separately as a Zona spokeshave at Tower Hobbies and other places.Not real fast, but it can be held in such a way that your fingers act as guides to keep the tool on the brace, and it can reach down the side of a brace almost to the top (or back). There may be better tools for this, but I've been using this one since the mid-70s and haven't found anything I like better. Attachment: zonr3320.jpg Attachment: picture-28.jpg Pat Pat, Did you cut the handles off of that little spoke shave? |
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| Author: | Mike Collins [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
low angle block plane for large removal. Then like Waddy-my Boone plane for fine work. Mike |
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| Author: | Mike Collins [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
low angle block plane for large removal. Then like Waddy-my Boone plane for fine work. Mike |
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| Author: | Link Van Cleave [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
Pat, If those are the little brass spoke shaves that used to come in a set of 3 (flat, curved, and rounded) I got a set in 86 and at the time Ron Hock used to make replacement irons for them. Maybe he still does ? A little tune up and they are sweet. L. |
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| Author: | Dave Fifield [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
WaddyThomson wrote: I'll say it again! Stephen Boone finger planes. Perfect for brace shaving. http://www.studioboone.com/guitars/fingerplane.html +1 for the little SB planes! Fast, sharp, perfect size, bargain price, etc.... My Ibex planes sit almost unused these days. Dave F. |
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| Author: | ernie [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
Phil, that is one beautiful artistic work of art chisel.I checked prices for jap paring chisels and they run from $88 to 488, I finally finished the brace carving.I have a set of those 3 spokeshaves, they are handy. Think I will just stick with all the tools I own. |
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| Author: | Pat Foster [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
LarryH, Yes I did cut off the "ears." Link, I have a set of those brass spokeshaves, but this one is a super cheap one made of pot metal. The brass one would work and would be great with Hock irons. Pat |
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| Author: | bluescreek [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
i use a drum sander to rough them down and do the final voicing when the guitar is aged a few months. |
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| Author: | Trevor Gore [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
Since publishing the book, a friend made this paring chisel for me (Japanese chisel for comparison): Attachment: DSCF4188s.jpg The blade is a full 10" long, cut from an old circular saw blade used by loggers in the bush around the turn of the century (not the recent one). It has the reach to be used bevel up or bevel down almost anywhere on a guitar and is definitely my go-to chisel for all sorts of things. The blade is 18mm wide. |
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| Author: | gozierdt [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
Based on Todd's reply to a similar thread last year, I bought one of the Pfeil #1 18mm double bevel carving chisels. It's great for forming the initial profile of the braces- easily controlled and accurate. Then I use one of the small IBEX curved sole finger planes for shaving the sides to get the triangular x-section. I had previously used the LMI bent chisel for doing the profile work, but the double bevel chisel is more controllable, IMO. |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I only use this old 18 mm wide Marples paring chisel and some sand paper. Planes, however small, always bump into stuff, especially on top braces. I find I have better control with just a chisel, besides it much quicker. Even though I find the work enjoyable, I don't enjoy being inefficient. YMMV  
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| Author: | grumpy [ Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
All you need is a good, very sharp chisel... You'll be well-served to learn to sharpen it correctly, as this will make -all- aspects of your work easier, better, and safer. |
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| Author: | Tony_in_NYC [ Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Brace shaving tool. |
I wish carving the braces took longer. I use a small plane to get a triangular profile, the a chisel to scallop and final shape everything. I have a 1/2" chisel that I seem to use for almost everything. Aside from my 1/4" chisel, it is the only one I use consistently. |
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