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Author:  WudWerkr [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:53 am ]
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I am bidding on this Martin Guitar Made usa 2002 000X1 Classical Per the info .. If I get this I will have $150.00 in it before neck reset . What should this be worth fixed ? Am I already at a cost to high ? If I am it will be mine .
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Author:  Bryan Bear [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:57 am ]
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Someone who knows what they are talking about will be along soon, but. . . is this one of those martin bolts-ons that sometimes come loose requiring a simple tightneing (rather than re-set)? maybe it is not even Martin I'm thining of, jsut ignore me. . .
Author:  WudWerkr [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:00 pm ]
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from the looks of it I believe it will be a simple fix
Author:  johnwalkerwaldsmith [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:11 pm ]
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easiest neck reset you will ever do.... tighten bolt... done................. usually
Author:  WudWerkr [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:14 pm ]
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Whats this sucker worth on market ? ... ball park ?
Author:  Barry Daniels [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:11 pm ]
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That looks like one of the Martin formica guitars.
Author:  Alex Kleon [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:19 pm ]
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Barry Daniels wrote:
That looks like one of the Martin formica guitars.
After you're done playing Malaguena, you can eat your lunch on the back of it! ;)

Alex
Author:  nyazzip [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:20 pm ]
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Whats this sucker worth on market

i think brand new they were around $500USD...and $450 of that was for the paint on the headstock that says "Martin".....
:)
Author:  WudWerkr [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 pm ]
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Model: 000X1
Construction: Mortise/Tenon Neck Joint
Body Size: 000-14 Fret
Top: Solid Sitka Spruce
Rosette: Multiple Black/White Boltaron with Red Fiber
Top Bracing Pattern: A-Frame ''X-1''
Top Braces: Solid Spruce 5/16''
Back Material: Mahogany Pattern HPL Textured Finish
Back Purfling: none
Side Material: Mahogany Pattern HPL Textured Finish
Endpiece: none
Endpiece Inlay: none
Binding: none
Top Inlay Style: none
Side Inlay: none
Back Inlay: none
Neck Material: Rust Stratabond
Neck Shape: Modified Low Oval
Nut Material: White Corian
Headstock: Solid/StandardTaper
Headplate: Mahogany Pattern HPL
Heelcap: none
Fingerboard Material: Black Richlite
Scale Length: 25.4''
Number of Frets Clear: 14
Number of Frets Total: 20
Fingerboard Width at Nut: 1-11/16''
Fingerboard Width at 12th Fret: 2-1/8''
Fingerboard Position Inlays: none
Fingerboard Binding: none
Finish Back & Sides: none
Finish Top: Hand Rubbed Finish
Finish Neck: none
Bridge Material: Black Richlite
Bridge Style: Belly
Bridge String Spacing: 2-1/8''
Saddle: 16'' Radius/Compensated/White Tusq
Tuning Machines: Chrome Enclosed w/ Small Buttons
Recommended Strings: Martin Studio Performance Light Phosphor Bronze (MSP4100)
Bridge & End Pins: White w/ Black Dots
Pickguard: Tortoise Color
Author:  klooker [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:48 pm ]
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Mahogany pattern HPL = Formica.

So has anyone done any sound comparisons of Formica vs. Plywood?

I'd guess maybe $150 on CL ?

Kevin Looker
Author:  johnwalkerwaldsmith [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:15 pm ]
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^^^^^I havent done REAL TESTING on formica vs plywood but i have definitely heard it... I had one of those dx-1's when they first came out sounded GREAT for about a year and a half, then the belly came in so bad you couldnt keep the bridge on without bolting it down..... that model only had a x brace and a thin laminate under the top. (probably why it sounded good) (bassy)

now days they are a more standard x brace pattern (most of em) and sound pretty close to a yamaha plywood guitar..... if not worse
Author:  Tai Fu [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:44 pm ]
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I've heard cheap Chinese guitars that sounded way better than a Martin formica guitar. Played one and it sounded terrible. Even a baby Taylor sounded better.
Author:  George L [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:58 pm ]
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Many Martin dealers will sell new guitars for 40% off list or "MAP" (Minimum Advertised Price). That means this could have been purchased new for around $300. Non-collectible used Martins in good to excellent condition typically garner around 50% of their street price. So, considering the condition, I think your bid of $150 is a bit on the high side. That's just my opinion.
Author:  B. Howard [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:10 am ]
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Tai Fu wrote:
I've heard cheap Chinese guitars that sounded way better than a Martin formica guitar. Played one and it sounded terrible. Even a baby Taylor sounded better.


I agree, played all the Formica models at Martin last year. To my ear the smaller bodies sounded better than the large but all sounded very tin and hollow. I have done a few set ups on some of the cheap $129.99 guitars from musicians friend etc and if you can get the action to a decent place and work the nut a bit they actually don't sound all that bad. Especially if you take into account the ones I have seen appear to have been assembled with a hot glue gun.
Author:  WudWerkr [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:59 am ]
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Filling me fulla hope here guys .. :shock: laughing6-hehe . If I win this I will have $158.00 in it including shipping before repair ... May be to much , if so lesson learned . I am gonna see what happens and then if Im not happy with the sound to resell it " ( was thinking $250.00 or so ) " Then one of my family will get a present .

Either way , I chalk it up to a learning experience . I do appreciate the input guys , it gives me some basics to examine when / if it gets here . Thanks ! [:Y:]
Author:  WudWerkr [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:48 am ]
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Went to $150.00 , said id stop there and I was out bid . Well , hope the new owner Likes it ! idunno
Author:  George L [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:09 pm ]
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As others have noted, these are not particularly highly regarded guitars. Fine for camping, Third World travel, Bering Sea crabbing, tornado chasing, space walks, etc., but not well-suited for your Sunday best. The numbers I listed above are pretty reliable and widely known among the Martin community, so I think you did well to lose the auction.

Again, just my opinion,
Author:  Tai Fu [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:10 pm ]
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George L wrote:
As others have noted, these are not particularly highly regarded guitars. Fine for camping, Third World travel, Bering Sea crabbing, tornado chasing, space walks, etc., but not well-suited for your Sunday best. The numbers I listed above are pretty reliable and widely known among the Martin community, so I think you did well to lose the auction.

Again, just my opinion,


In Taiwan those guitars are overpriced. It sells for about 1,200 dollars here. And they still sound like crap. A Yamaha guitar 1/4 the price sounded better than that.
Author:  WudWerkr [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:16 pm ]
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True , but a young child getting a " Martin" guitar for a present would have been elated and possible motivated to learn to do something with it. Ahh well , water under the bridge now ... Again thanks for the Input guys , I might not always agree , but I DO appreciate Honesty ! [:Y:]
Author:  WudWerkr [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:23 pm ]
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The bid on that Guitar is Now at $265.00 ...... LOL
Author:  Tai Fu [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:27 pm ]
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People really go crazy over a "name".
Author:  B. Howard [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:15 pm ]
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George L wrote:
As others have noted, these are not particularly highly regarded guitars. Fine for camping, Third World travel, Bering Sea crabbing, tornado chasing, space walks, etc., but not well-suited for your Sunday best. The numbers I listed above are pretty reliable and widely known among the Martin community, so I think you did well to lose the auction.

Again, just my opinion,


laughing6-hehe

Pretty close to a barge guitar, yes indeed.
Author:  James Ringelspaugh [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:38 pm ]
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I once had a Martin dread with the plastic back and sides that sounded and played great. Go figure.
Author:  Alex Kleon [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:11 pm ]
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You'd think that if Martin were making guitars with counter top material back and sides, they'd at least make it look like Brazilian! laughing6-hehe

Alex
Author:  Clay S. [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:18 pm ]
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It's not the formica back and sides that hurt the sound and short term durability of the instruments, it's the other elements that go into making a "cheap" guitar. The Richlite bridge is the first thing I would look at as a tone killer. The thicknessing and bracing of the top would be the next place I would look. The Stratabond neck and Richlite finger board, although not aesthetically great, probably work O.K..
I have built a number of HPL back and sided instruments, and although I would not call them "world beaters" they have sounded fine.
We don't put expensive materials and the time and care into an instrument made for a lower price point. Why would we compare it to a fine hand made guitar?
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