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Author:  Michiyuki Kubo [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Respirator Masks recommendation
Looking for a good mask to have. I used to have one just for chemicals at the job but since I moved I need another. Anyone have a mask tht they would go out of their way to recommend ?
Also filters to go with it. When I had the old mask it had a fumes and chemicals filter and in assuming it got dust with it. Is it necessary to get both a fine particle dust filter and a chemical or just one?
Author:  Paul Burner [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:48 am ]
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Good timing on your post as I am also looking for a respirator mask for use in my shop when sawing, sanding, etc.

I found a website by Bill Pentz that goes into GREAT detail on dust collection - and the hazards associated with breathing fine dust particles.

He recommends a 3M 7500 series mask which can be seen here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006O ... B0006ORFH6

The one on this page is a medium size - other sizes are available.

Looking forward to what others have to say on this.
Author:  Goodin [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:48 am ]
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008MC ... irect=true

Get the P100 particulate filters for dust and the organic vapor cartridge filters for finishing.
Author:  B. Howard [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:57 am ]
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That depends a bit on what you need to protect yourself from, dust, VOC's, etc. I used 3M for quite a while but have switched recently to MSA because I can get replacement cartridges easier and cheaper than the 3M's. The main consideration is to make sure it is rated for what you are working with, and lacquers may not be the worst things you need to worry about, 2 part urethanes and even some water base clear coats have nasty crosslinkers in them with a small chemical footprint that require better filters.
Author:  Clinchriver [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:03 pm ]
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B. Howard wrote:
That depends a bit on what you need to protect yourself from, dust, VOC's, etc. I used 3M for quite a while but have switched recently to MSA because I can get replacement cartridges easier and cheaper than the 3M's. The main consideration is to make sure it is rated for what you are working with, and lacquers may not be the worst things you need to worry about, 2 part urethanes and even some water base clear coats have nasty crosslinkers in them with a small chemical footprint that require better filters.


Cost is a consideration, I have used both MSA & 3-M, 3-M is a better fit & seal, for my face. Try both one will be more comfortable. I've had to wear full face respirators for two to three hours at a time and fit is a huge factor.
Author:  John Killin [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:12 pm ]
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I've been using this one and like it.

http://www.amazon.com/3M-Low-Maintenanc ... s_indust_4

It is comfortable, seals to my face, and doesn’t cause my glasses to fog. I haven’t tried it with the P-100 filters, but plan to.

I also haven’t tried the 7500 series one so I can’t compare them.
Author:  James Ringelspaugh [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:16 pm ]
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This is what I use and would recommend as well.

John Killin wrote:
I've been using this one and like it.

http://www.amazon.com/3M-Low-Maintenanc ... s_indust_4

It is comfortable, seals to my face, and doesn’t cause my glasses to fog. I haven’t tried it with the P-100 filters, but plan to.

I also haven’t tried the 7500 series one so I can’t compare them.
Author:  Michiyuki Kubo [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:49 pm ]
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Thanks fellas. I am having a hard time trying to find these over here in Europe it seems like they use a different number system for the filters. The mask isn't a problem it seems though. I want to say thanks to everyone for helping me out on this. It's a pretty important tool. I think I'm going to go for the 7500 series seems like its the most comfortable fit in all the reviews I read over at amazon. I have another quick question about the cartridges. I found this it seems like an all on one.

http://amzn.com/B000LDMDDS

Has anyone ever used these cartridges? Seems as if you could use this instead of switching out. Says it has rating for p100 ad has the organic vapor filter in the cartridge. Would appreciate some advise on that.

Another quick one. Is it easier to breath through the p100 than the org vap cartridge ?

Thanks again.
Author:  Michiyuki Kubo [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:55 pm ]
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B. Howard wrote:
That depends a bit on what you need to protect yourself from, dust, VOC's, etc. I used 3M for quite a while but have switched recently to MSA because I can get replacement cartridges easier and cheaper than the 3M's. The main consideration is to make sure it is rated for what you are working with, and lacquers may not be the worst things you need to worry about, 2 part urethanes and even some water base clear coats have nasty crosslinkers in them with a small chemical footprint that require better filters.



Thanks Brian. I actually used the MSA when I worked in my last job now that I've looked at them. It worked great for what I needed it to. Problem is I can't easily get these over here. 3m seems to be more international right now. In case I decide to ship one over. Which model of mask and filters do you use for the MSA? Or recommend ? Thanks.

(Going to research into finishes more soon but I'm leaning to the seemingly more work French polish, will this have any special need for cartridges ? Sorry I'm such a newbie lol)
Author:  B. Howard [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Respirator Masks recommendation
It"s a half face respirator, Advantage 200 LS. I am using GME/P100 filters, their part # 815366. It is a combo filter with a built in pre-filter. As someone else pointed out getting the right size face piece is important.
Author:  Andy Birko [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:29 pm ]
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I pinched a bunch of these from work (back when I worked for the man) http://www.selectsafetysales.com/p-386- ... -mask.aspx and have been using them for particulate style stuff.

I don't exactly know their effectiveness though. I know that when you're fitted for a bio type mask they use a scent to test the fit on your face and if you can't smell it, it's working. I'm thinking that if it can filter out a scent, it's probably filtering out worrisome particles.

The nice part about this is that I find them more comfortable than the rubber style ones (I have a 3M organic 2 cartridge thing for spraying as well) and they're pretty inexpensive.

Does anyone know if these are actually protecting against particles?
Author:  B. Howard [ Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Respirator Masks recommendation
Andy Birko wrote:
I pinched a bunch of these from work (back when I worked for the man) http://www.selectsafetysales.com/p-386- ... -mask.aspx and have been using them for particulate style stuff.

I don't exactly know their effectiveness though. I know that when you're fitted for a bio type mask they use a scent to test the fit on your face and if you can't smell it, it's working. I'm thinking that if it can filter out a scent, it's probably filtering out worrisome particles.

The nice part about this is that I find them more comfortable than the rubber style ones (I have a 3M organic 2 cartridge thing for spraying as well) and they're pretty inexpensive.

Does anyone know if these are actually protecting against particles?


From what I read on the site those are good particulate filters but will not do much for chemicals.
Author:  Goodin [ Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Respirator Masks recommendation
Andy Birko wrote:
I pinched a bunch of these from work (back when I worked for the man) http://www.selectsafetysales.com/p-386- ... -mask.aspx and have been using them for particulate style stuff.

I don't exactly know their effectiveness though. I know that when you're fitted for a bio type mask they use a scent to test the fit on your face and if you can't smell it, it's working. I'm thinking that if it can filter out a scent, it's probably filtering out worrisome particles.

The nice part about this is that I find them more comfortable than the rubber style ones (I have a 3M organic 2 cartridge thing for spraying as well) and they're pretty inexpensive.

Does anyone know if these are actually protecting against particles?


I have used those and they work pretty good but sometimes I can't get them to fit right, they get uncomfortable after wearing for awhile, and they don't breath as easy as the rubber cartridge filters. The 3M 7500 fits around my face better for a better seal, is more comfortable, and breathes easier since it has the check valve. Also these paper masks are N95, filtering out 95% of particles, whereas you can get P100 filters for the cartridge mask which filters near 100% of particles. http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/r ... disp_part/
Author:  Fred Tellier [ Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:57 am ]
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In my pre retirement career I was an industrial controls electrician in a auto factory paint shop and we had access to very good protective equipment and the 3M products were used, so when I got into guitar building I stayed with that line. The biggest fault most people have is not fitting the mask properly and not changing the carbon cartridge often enough, they are expensive but so is health care.

For dust protection I have one of these http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=62066&cat=1,42207,43647 It fits well and I can use it with my eye glasses on.

Fred
Author:  Dan Pennington [ Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:16 am ]
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I do a lot of lathe work making block banjo rims. After I had some mild reactions to cocobolo, I started wearing a half dust mask and safety glasses. Then I cut some granadillo. The dust got around my glasses and gave me a moderate case of red eye, weeping and itching for about three days. So I bought this AOSafety full face mask - about $125 a few years ago. Did the job for me. It even does a good job of sealing over my beard. I don't do any finish spraying, but the specs for the replaceable filters says that they will do that, too.
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