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| Author: | JRessler [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
I just bought some Port Orford Cedar from Lance (nice stuff!) I have used western, but not POC. For those who have used both, any preferences or differences in using one over the other? (Other than the POC smells really good!) |
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| Author: | Ti-Roux [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
They have Cedar in their name, but that's all. Port Orford Cedar isn't a cedar at all, it's a cypress kind. That said, these are two completly different species. I have a few sets of wonderful POC, is it stiff like hell, but I have not tried it yet. |
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| Author: | Ti-Roux [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
They have Cedar in their name, but that's all. Port Orford Cedar isn't a cedar at all, it's a cypress kind. That said, these are two completly different species. I have a few sets of wonderful POC, is it stiff like hell, but I have not tried it yet. |
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| Author: | Ken Franklin [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
POC and WRC are both in the cypress family. WRC is soft, light and brittle. I usually thin from to .115-.130" or more for steel string guitars depending on the voicing of the particular top and the size of the guitar. IME the sound is very responsive and clear with beautiful overtones but without a lot of headroom. Great for fingerstyle playing. POC on the other hand works more like a spruce. It's not as soft or light as WRC and not at all brittle. I have thinned it in the range of .100-.115". It has a responsive voice with great overtones but unlike WRC it has a lot of headroom similar to red spruce. A very versatile tonewwod. |
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| Author: | Ti-Roux [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
Ken Franklin wrote: POC and WRC are both in the cypress family. Both are in the cypress family, but what I mean is that WRC is in the Thuya genius, wich refers to a 'true' cedar, wich POC is not. |
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| Author: | SteveG [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
Ti-Roux wrote: Both are in the cypress family, but what I mean is that WRC is in the Thuya genius, wich refers to a 'true' cedar, wich POC is not. Sorry, I believe you are wrong. No disrespect intended. Western red cedar is not a true cedar. "Not a true cedar, just a northwest rainforest “giant” The western redcedar is actually an arborvitae - a “false” cedar." from : http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/urbanforests/ ... r.pdf?ga=t cheers |
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| Author: | Ti-Roux [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
SteveG wrote: Ti-Roux wrote: Both are in the cypress family, but what I mean is that WRC is in the Thuya genius, wich refers to a 'true' cedar, wich POC is not. Sorry, you are wrong. No disrespect intended. Western red cedar is not a true cedar. http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/urbanforests/ ... r.pdf?ga=t ![[uncle]](./images/smilies/surrenderflagqv6.gif "Uncle")
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| Author: | SteveG [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
 Slow on my edit |
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| Author: | Marcus [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
SteveG wrote: Ti-Roux wrote: Both are in the cypress family, but what I mean is that WRC is in the Thuya genius, wich refers to a 'true' cedar, wich POC is not. Sorry, I believe you are wrong. No disrespect intended. Western red cedar is not a true cedar. "Not a true cedar, just a northwest rainforest “giant” The western redcedar is actually an arborvitae - a “false” cedar." from : http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/urbanforests/ ... r.pdf?ga=t cheers First Spanish Cedar, now WRC??? What is the world coming to?!? |
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| Author: | Ti-Roux [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
Marcus wrote: SteveG wrote: Ti-Roux wrote: Both are in the cypress family, but what I mean is that WRC is in the Thuya genius, wich refers to a 'true' cedar, wich POC is not. Sorry, I believe you are wrong. No disrespect intended. Western red cedar is not a true cedar. "Not a true cedar, just a northwest rainforest “giant” The western redcedar is actually an arborvitae - a “false” cedar." from : http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/urbanforests/ ... r.pdf?ga=t cheers First Spanish Cedar, now WRC??? What is the world coming to?!? We'll soon lear that cedar never existed at all. |
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| Author: | Alex Kleon [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
What about French Fries and Spanish Onions?  Alex |
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| Author: | mqbernardo [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
Ti-Roux wrote: We'll soon lear that cedar never existed at all. sorry, what are y´all talking about? what´s cedar?
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| Author: | Ti-Roux [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
mqbernardo wrote: Ti-Roux wrote: We'll soon lear that cedar never existed at all. sorry, what are y´all talking about? what´s cedar?It's the logo of lebanon. I guess it's some mystical or mythical tree. |
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| Author: | John Arnold [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
AFAIK, Cedar of Lebanon is a true cedar, unlike the junipers, arborvitae, and cypresses that we have in North America. I have only handled POC, and it is much stiffer and denser than WRC. It is similar to the difference between Engelmann and red spruce. My one all 'cedar' guitar had Eastern red cedar (juniper) back and sides, and an incense cedar (cypress) top. |
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| Author: | alan stassforth [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
Why do they name all these different woods with what they aren't really? Doug fir isn't fir, etc. Spanish cedar isn't really cedar? Mahog is all over the map. I'm going to re-name all the different wood, a new system. Might take a while. |
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| Author: | DennisK [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
alan stassforth wrote: Why do they name all these different woods with what they aren't really? Doug fir isn't fir, etc. Spanish cedar isn't really cedar? Mahog is all over the map. I'm going to re-name all the different wood, a new system. Might take a while.  Us country folk just don't have that big of a vocabulary for trees. Does it have a strong smell? Cedar. Is the wood medium brown without clearly visible grain lines? Mahogany. Is it dark brown and hard? Rosewood. Heck, it doesn't even have to be brown (bubinga) or particularly hard (higuerilla), just make up a rosewood name for it and people will pay twice as much 
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| Author: | Link Van Cleave [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
alan stassforth wrote: I'm going to re-name all the different wood, a new system. Might take a while. A method of nomenclature has been done Alan and for the very reasons you lament about. Scientific names. Genus and species names leave no doubt as to the particular tree or animal. You find more of this confusion in the name of woods than in the names of trees . Mostly for commercial purposes as in the name Mahogany being applied to luans and different African woods that resemble the true Mahoganies of the Americas. L. |
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| Author: | ernie [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
Wow Oak view meadows subdivision next door , has no oak , no view no meadows, well ,welcome to america no misnomers here 
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| Author: | Clay S. [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
Even scientific names don't seem to have much permanence anymore. Quite a few plants and animals have been reclassified and given new scientific names since when I first learned them. |
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| Author: | mqbernardo [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Difference between Western Red Cedar and POC?? |
alan stassforth wrote: Why do they name all these different woods with what they aren't really? well, i guess the 1st explorers of the new world should have brought better botanists with them when they started naming things - they made it hard for us guitar builders!Clay S. wrote: Even scientific names don't seem to have much permanence anymore. Quite a few plants and animals have been reclassified and given new scientific names since when I first learned them. a very bad offender is Alaskan/Yellow/Nootka cedar : it´s been named Cupressus nootkatensis, Chamaecyparis nootkatensis, Xanthocyparis nootkatensis and Callitropsis nootkatensis!!! well, at least people seem to agree on the nootkatensis part...cheers, miguel. |
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