Thanks Tony. The miters were a bugger. Each one was a different angle. And fitting the pieces together??? Ugh. Definitely need to build some templates to make it easier, but it was fun and only took me a week.
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| Author: | Steve_E [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Been playing with this idea for a while. Finally put it to the test on a nice piece of Redwood (Thanks Hank Mauel). What do you think? Attachment: IMG_0138-resize.jpg Had to throw some shellac on it to see it in 3D. Need to do some leveling and detailing still. Steve |
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| Author: | Tony_in_NYC [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Ummm....thats terrible. I'm going to send you a couple dozen of my tops to practice that on. When you are done, send the tops back and I will evaluate your progress! That's pretty sweet! I really like it a lot! PM me your address for those "practice" sound boards! |
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| Author: | Steve_E [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Thanks Tony. The miters were a bugger. Each one was a different angle. And fitting the pieces together??? Ugh. Definitely need to build some templates to make it easier, but it was fun and only took me a week.
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| Author: | Marcus [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
VERY nice. ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up")
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| Author: | Jim Watts [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
very nice indeed! |
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| Author: | Mike Lindstrom [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
That's super cool. For those of you who have done segmented rosettes, what's the process? Just steady hand and careful work? Mike |
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| Author: | Beth Mayer [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
I LOVE that! I'd like to hear more detail about your process too! Beth ![[clap]](./images/smilies/smiley32.gif "adulations")
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| Author: | Bill Hodge [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Me likey!
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| Author: | Colin North [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Nice work! |
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| Author: | rasmus [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
I love it! It looks very artistic and well made. May I steal your idea? 
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| Author: | Tony_in_NYC [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
What are the woods that you used? |
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| Author: | John F. Dickman [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
did you put additional support on the underside? Isn't the rosette for strengthening the top around the sound hole? dang the torpedo's full speed ahead! Just a newbee not nitpicking. |
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| Author: | cphanna [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
That's great! And to think that you did it in redwood just amazes me. The redwood I've had is freakishly difficult to excavate even for simple work--let alone for work like this. Then again, my skills are pretty sub-standard. Maybe some day... In the meantime, it sure is inspiring. Patrick |
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| Author: | Steve_E [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
I can't take credit for segmented rosettes. A lot of people do them, I am, however, the only one that has done an offset segment - Please forgive me if you've done it and I didn't give you credit. I do use a soundhole brace of about .075 to cover the rosette area. The lower part will be under the lower transverse brace. But overall it is supported from the underside. After a lot of layout, I cut channels in some plastic to do the layout. Attachment: IMG_0127-resized.jpg Then came the process of figuring out the different angles for the miters. Attachment: IMG_0128-resized.jpg Then the sphincter factor. Cut into a wonderful set of Lucky Strike Rosewood (Thanks again Hank Mauel) Attachment: IMG_0129-resized.jpg My original idea was to just use a solid color. Couldn't figure out what to use. Tried a bunch of different ideas and none seemed to work out, so I took it to an artist friend and we came up with a graduated radial (Hat-Tip to all the radial ideas on this forum) inside with complementary Southwest colors. I wanted this to appear Southwest American Indian in feeling. I came up with Almond, Ebony and Cocobolo. These woods are harder than SIN and the all three were easily chipped when cut and sized. Attachment: IMG_0131.JPG -resized.jpg Once I had them all in, it was a matter of planing them down. What a bugger. Again, if you haven't worked with Almond - it's density is crazy and you can see some veins in the wood that were quite porous wanted to split there. Attachment: IMG_0133.JPG -resized.jpg Then it was just a matter of cutting the segments and getting a good fit in the spaces. Again, much harder than I anticipated. I have some gaps, but I can fill with dust. Also had a few chip outs as I was planing down, but was able to cut plugs and get a good fit. Attachment: IMG_0138-resize.jpg Overall, I think I achieved the SouthWest look I was going for and am quite pleased with the results. The purflings are a dark blue and blood red I dyed myself. I'm not sure how it will be received on a classical since it is so unlike a typical classical rosette, but I sure like it. I'll use it again, but if I do, will create some templates to make cutting and mitering the purflings easier to give a tighter fit. Also a template to allow me to route out the segments to the exact size. Love the comments. BIG question! Would this type of a rosette turn you off on a classical guitar? Or is it unique enough that you wouldn't care. Steve |
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| Author: | Beth Mayer [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
I would be proud to own and play (and display) a classical guitar with that top/rosette......keep me in mind if you're looking for a home for her 
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| Author: | Ken Mitchell [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
That's impressive, Steve! Thanks for sharing all of the info on how you conceived and executed it. |
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| Author: | Rick Cowan [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Steve, Beautiful design! I think it would be quite cool on a classical. I'm curious, but how do you cut the channels which run perpendicular to the arcs? It's not immediately apparent to me how you approach that with precision; do you use a specific jig as a guide for each channel? Rick |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
That's cool. It reminds me of an Egyptian necklace or something like that. Too many episodes or Stargate SG1 I guess... 
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| Author: | Steve_E [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Rick Cowan wrote: Steve, Beautiful design! I think it would be quite cool on a classical. I'm curious, but how do you cut the channels which run perpendicular to the arcs? It's not immediately apparent to me how you approach that with precision; do you use a specific jig as a guide for each channel? Rick Ran the spokes radially from the center, then used a ruler offset the width of the Stu-Mac Dremel base and put on a very good set of visors, came real close and then hit the corners with a very sharp chisel. Ideally, I would like to have the template already routed out X+width of a bearing and then just run the channel that way. Much less stressful. Thanks for the comments, Steve |
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| Author: | Mike Collins [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
That is one GREAT Rosette! Nice selection of woods. It may be difficult to make a jig or jigs for that style. But what the heck-it does not hurt to try. Maybe some of us can come up with ideas to help you. I love making my own rosettes,I do not like very many of the pre-made ones. Making you own is worth the time & trouble to figure out the process &obtain the woods that look great in them. Great rose! Mike |
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| Author: | Steve_E [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Thanks Mike. If it is well received, I may make this a signature type rosette for me; kind of like John Mayes Medallion Rosette viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=32723&hilit=medallion+rosette It is John and others that give me the love of something unique. steve |
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| Author: | Tony_in_NYC [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | New Rosette on a Redwood top |
I'd say it's been pretty well received! |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New Rosette on a Redwood top |
Coming in late here... That is really cool! |
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