I searched but didn't find anything...so is anybody here using it? How do you like it? The claim of buffing in 7 days seems a bit uhhh optimistic
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| Author: | jason c [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Cardinal lacquer |
I searched but didn't find anything...so is anybody here using it? How do you like it? The claim of buffing in 7 days seems a bit uhhh optimistic
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
I've been using it lately. It's the fastest curing lacquer I've tried. You have to step back on the pressure--I use a gravity feed hvlp setup, and have to use 20 lbs. pressure, a 50% reduction from what I was using. Addam Stark says to increase the distance to 24" away from the tip--if possible. Also found that it won't tolerate a too-heavy coat. Micro bubbles form in the heavy build, which can be difficult to remove. Other than the different techniques required, it is a fine product. It cures unbelievably fast, and gives what seems a better gloss. Hope that helps, Steve |
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| Author: | jason c [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
Yeah, it helps. I was on the fence about giving it a go but I think I'll order some to try out. Do you use their vinyl sealer? I've used shellac as my sealer and would just as soon stay with it unless there is a problem. |
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| Author: | CharlieT [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
Steve Kinnaird wrote: I've been using it lately. It's the fastest curing lacquer I've tried. You have to step back on the pressure--I use a gravity feed hvlp setup, and have to use 20 lbs. pressure, a 50% reduction from what I was using. Addam Stark says to increase the distance to 24" away from the tip--if possible. Also found that it won't tolerate a too-heavy coat. Micro bubbles form in the heavy build, which can be difficult to remove. Other than the different techniques required, it is a fine product. It cures unbelievably fast, and gives what seems a better gloss. Hope that helps, Steve Steve - if I may ask, how fast is unbelievably fast? 
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| Author: | Terence Kennedy [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
Addam has done several guitars for me with Cardinal, they look great and the stuff seems a little more flexible and less prone to chipping during cleanup and flossing the neck joint. |
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| Author: | RaymundH [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
Drop Mac Schurmeier an e-mail and he will send you the recommended finish schedule. There was a discussion a while back in regards to their UV cure finish as well. Very interesting. Mac Schurmeier Cardinal Paint & Powder Technical Representative 626-444-9274 macs@cardinalpaint.com |
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| Author: | DannyV [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
RaymundH wrote: Drop Mac Schurmeier an e-mail and he will send you the recommended finish schedule. There was a discussion a while back in regards to their UV cure finish as well. Very interesting. Mac Schurmeier Cardinal Paint & Powder Technical Representative 626-444-9274 macs@cardinalpaint.com Hey Raymund, Have you found a seller in Canada? I was just reading about Cardinal on the LMI site. Sounds pretty interesting. Thanks, Danny |
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| Author: | Michael Smith [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
Where can this lacquer be purchased at a reasonable price. I live close to LMI but by the time I pay the sales tax I'm close to $80 a gallon. That is too much for this wood butcher. |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
jason c wrote: Yeah, it helps. I was on the fence about giving it a go but I think I'll order some to try out. Do you use their vinyl sealer? I've used shellac as my sealer and would just as soon stay with it unless there is a problem. Yes, I have been using their vinyl sealer. Just not sure it's as compatible w/ shellac as is McFadden's--may they rest in peace. Still a fine product. What I like is there is not that temperamental intolerance to generic thinners that Behlen's displays. Cardinal seems as forgiving as the old McFaddens. Steve |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
CharlieT wrote: Steve - if I may ask, how fast is unbelievably fast? 30 minutes.  Not buying that? Ok, more like a week. Of course, you might want to luxuriate and give it 8 days.... Steve |
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| Author: | CharlieT [ Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
Steve Kinnaird wrote: 30 minutes. Not buying that? Ok, more like a week. Of course, you might want to luxuriate and give it 8 days.... Steve Well, 7 days sounds OK, but 8 would be pushing the limits of my patience.  Seriously, that is pretty darned fast. Thanks for the info Steve! Charlie |
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| Author: | crazymanmichael [ Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
has anyone tried it over shellac yet? also has anyone tried it for repairs on old lacquer? |
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| Author: | ChuckB [ Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardinal lacquer |
Crazymanmichael, as I stated in the other thread about nitro, I have one that will be ready to wet sand this week that I sprayed with Cardinal over shellac. Went on like any lacquer, maybe a little thinner so I put on an extra coat. Measured after 6 days and thickness is 4 mils. No problems with adhesion noticed on wet sanding between day 1 and 2 of shooting. For repair it may need tinting since it is water clear. Chuck |
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