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Author: | york [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | First Selmer Build |
I am building this Selmer gypsy jazz guitar based on Michael Collins’ book, BUILDING A SELMER-MACCAFERRI GUITAR. I used the Charle plan for the original template and forms, and just received Collins’ plans to verify some things about the neck geometry. |
Author: | york [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Here's what I've done so far.... Attachment: 010.jpg Attachment: formlayout.jpg Attachment: formpieces.jpg Attachment: patternrout.jpg Attachment: mold.jpg Attachment: topmarked.jpg Attachment: pliagebox.jpg Attachment: benttop.jpg
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Author: | york [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
...and some more... Attachment: bocote.jpg Attachment: kerfing.jpg Attachment: backstrip.jpg Attachment: noncutawaybend.jpg Attachment: cutawaybend.jpg Attachment: bentsides.jpg Attachment: tailblocktest.jpg Attachment: neckblockglue.jpg
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Author: | york [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
...and to finish progress up to this point.... Attachment: neckblockglue2.jpg Attachment: tailblock.jpg Attachment: kerfing (2).jpg ...And that's where I am right now.... |
Author: | mqbernardo [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
nice! keep´em coming! |
Author: | munen [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
ill keep an eye on your progress. im thinking of building one for my self. so far very good |
Author: | rdpdo [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:15 am ] |
Post subject: | First Selmer Build |
Hello Be careful with the rf charles plan, the action with the radius of the braces on the plan is 5mm with the 18mm height sadle ! You have to increase the angle of neck/side to decrese the action. |
Author: | rdpdo [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:18 am ] |
Post subject: | First Selmer Build |
Look here if you want http://www.benoit-de-bretagne.com/phpBB ... hp?t=10687 |
Author: | cphanna [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
I'm glad you're documenting this project so thoroughly. I'll be watching it closely. I've never built one of these guitars but I do find them very interesting. Regarding your question on molds, yes, I think you'd be better off gluing the laminations as you stack them. You can still register everything with screws, cut the rough shapes and then glue up--re-inserting the screws to hold the lams in place while the glue is still slippery. Then route to clean up as you have done here. I don't know whether a lamination of plywood would stiffen your mold, but it seems to me your cross-clamping idea is an obvious and workable solution to that problem. You could also attach a "floor" to the mold, held with screws only. In that way, it could be removed as need for access to one side or the other. (Of course, several screws and a mold floor are probably more hassle than a bar clamp.) Patrick |
Author: | york [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Quote: Be careful with the rf charles plan, the action with the radius of the braces on the plan is 5mm with the 18mm height sadle ! Michael Collins mentioned this and warned me about the high action in the Charle plan neck geometry. I have also found that the neck lengths on the Charle plan and Collins book differ by about 1/4". So, I am not doing any neck construction until I have finished the box and can measure the actual length to the bridge location. Thanks, rdpdo, for the link. I will take a good look -- good thing measurements aren't language sensitive. ![]() Quote: You could also attach a "floor" to the mold, held with screws only. In that way, it could be removed as need for access to one side or the other. (Of course, several screws and a mold floor are probably more hassle than a bar clamp.) Thanks, Patrick. I did consider the floor but as you said the clamps were a lot quicker. I did glue as I went on previous molds and the results were better, but the whole mold was more substantial. Next time, glue as I go. |
Author: | douglas ingram [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
I found the action high, too. I though that maybe it was me... My fix was to make a lower bridge. Do you have a link for Shelly's video? or is it easy enough to find. (its late and I'm traveling...) |
Author: | york [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Hi Douglas, Check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAlwzwAjpW0&feature=plcp&context=C35c533cUDOEgsToPDskK6hQONq53Zf8I0pUPbIAuG That should be the side bending video episode. She has episodes that go through the whole process on her "Parkguitars" YouTube channel. |
Author: | jfmckenna [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
This is great! I am building one of these too. Well actually i need to get started asap. I'd love to see a pic of you joining the top. |
Author: | york [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Got a little more done. Finished the rim. Have not sanded the edges to fit the top and back yet. Will do that when I am ready to glue them so there is a fresh surface for gluing. Attachment: gluesidereinforcement.jpg Attachment: rimdonetail.jpg Attachment: rimdonehead.jpg
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Author: | york [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Quote: I'd love to see a pic of you joining the top. This is the only photo I have of the top joining. I thought I had posted it. ![]() Like so many things, it was easier to do than it sounds. Did feel a bit harry though doing all this while the glue is setting. The joint came out pretty good. Attachment: joiningtop.jpg
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Author: | york [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
***ERROR ALERT*** Unless I missed something in the reading and diagrams, the Collins book has an error in the diagram on p95. Attachment: bookpage.jpg I made the donut as in the diagram but as finishing it noticed that is seemed small. It turns out that it is 1/2" wide, the same width as the rosette, so if you use it, you will rout the soundhole right up to the rosette. Here is the jig with both donuts. Attachment: rosetteroutjig.jpg Using the full scale diagram on p93 showing all the soundhole/rosette elements to make the donut comes out right. X marks the wrong donut. Attachment: donuts.jpg That being said, having these full size diagrams in the Collins book makes it easy to copy and make the jigs that do the job. |
Author: | york [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Progress update.... Routed the top for the rosette. Used center to test depth since it will be soundhole. Attachment: toprout.jpg Cutting purfling strips from veneer for rosette and later body purfling. Attachment: cuttingpurfling.jpg Assembling the rosette in practice channel. Attachment: rosetteassembly.jpg Bending the tighter upper and lower curves. How lucky is it that my bending pipe fits those curves almost perfectly? Attachment: bendingrosette.jpg Rosette ready for gluing. These dental type probes were great for pushing the purfling down tightly into the channel. I over flooded with CA so had a bit more mess to clean up than I should have, but it turned out OK (darker area is shellac to protect top). Attachment: rosetteready.jpg Rosette clamped. Attachment: rosetteclamped.jpg Planing (scraping too) to level the rosette. Attachment: planingrose.jpg
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Author: | york [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Finishing the rosette, fitting the ebony insert. The roughed out ebony inset with the top fitted. Attachment: rouhginset.jpg The inset fitted and ready for gluing. Scraping the rosette "dirtied" the top - glad I gave it some protection with shellac. Attachment: insetready.jpg The finished rose and the tools I used for fitting the inset. Attachment: insetglued.jpg The rose is now leveled and the top sanded to clean it up. A little more sanding needed on the top -- for later. I cut the soundhole after completing the rosette. Collins' book cuts the channel and soundhole at the same time without taking the jig off inbetween cuts to insure proper alignment. I was concerned about the area between the rose and the soundhole being thin and weak so decided to leave the soundhole cutting for after completing the rose. In retrospect, I think that with ample care either way would work fine. If/when I do it again I would do it the same way I did it this time. It was no trouble to realign the routing jig and waiting to cut the soundhole avoided any possible slips that might have damaged the delicate edge. Attachment: cleantop.jpg A closeup of the rose. I like these Selmer style rosettes, simple, classy (IMHO). Attachment: roseclose.jpg
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Author: | york [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Bracing the back. I varied from Collins' book on the back arching. He arches the back into a 12 foot cylindrical shape. I am using my 15 foot radius dish and making the back just as I would a regular steelstring with a 15' radius. The difference in the amount of doming of the back is negligible though I realize the shape might be slightly different. Here are a few pics.... Attachment: centerstrip.jpg Attachment: fittingbackbrace.jpg The completed back and the top yet to be final thicknessed and braced. Attachment: back-top.jpg
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Author: | Corky Long [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Really nice work. I'm not at all familiar with these guitars, but I'm intrigued. |
Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
They have a very particular tone. I like them a lot, dreaming of building one too. Here is an example: |
Author: | munen [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
looking great I´ll find this thread very useful on the short future. thanks |
Author: | york [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Haven't updated in a while, so here's the recent progress..... Gluing the back to the rim.... Sanding the angle on the neckblock before using the radius dish on linings. I built the back on a standard 15' radius dish rather than the 12' cylindrical radius called for by Collins. The difference in overall arch is negligible. Attachment: sandneckblock.jpg Attachment: backrimready.jpg Attachment: glueback.jpg Attachment: backon.jpg
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Author: | york [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Putting on the soundboard.... Attachment: shapingbraces.jpg Attachment: bracedtop.jpg Attachment: gluingtop.jpg Attachment: bodyfront.jpg Attachment: bodyback.jpg
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Author: | jfmckenna [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: First Selmer Build |
Looking real good York!!! I can't remember if Collins book said so or if I got it on the net somewhere but did you lacquer the inside back and sides? BTW I love that sanding paddle I'll have to steal that idea for my build ![]() |
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