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| Author: | aqualibguitars [ Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
Hello friends i was experimenting a steel string guitar on the classical guitar body. but now i changed my mind and want to make it into classical. pls tell me will the x-bracing pattern be ok and used for classical? will it affect the sound? waiting for ur replies |
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| Author: | WilliamS [ Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
It has been done successfully, though not at all common. I think the DeJonges use x-bracing in their classical guitars and I believe that before the mid 20's martins were built for gut strings. All my classicals are fan-braced so I can't offer any specific advice but you'll definitely want to brace it lighter than a steel string-I think it would be very easy to over-brace an x-braced classical. |
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| Author: | truckjohn [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
Just remember that the typical problem with Classicals is getting enough treble to balance out the bass... and steel strings usually have the opposite problem - LOTS of treble that needs more bass to balance it out.... Steel strings also run about 4x more tension.... While you could probably change it to run gut strings with a wider neck and a different bridge.... it ignores the structural differences that come along with 4x more string tension and trying to get more Bass to balance out the abundant treble.... All this is a round about way of me suggesting that you go ahead and finish your Steel string build - and then build a Classical or Flamenco - that starts out designed from the beginning to be strung with nylon/gut. Thanks |
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| Author: | Jim Kirby [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
I have a friend who built a classical in a course with Sergei deJonge, and it is X-braced with a 2 inch square lattice below the lower arms of the X. We've done a fair amount of A/B'ing with that guitar and my recently finished Romanillos-style, and his guitar sounds relatively tight (after 2 years of playing in by a professional teacher), although I did give it better points for note articulation in some pieces. Judged from the back of a 250 seat (empty) auditorium, the fan braced guitar had a more open, full sound, with more presence both in the bass and trebles. I would not be drawn towards trying the X - rather, I think I will thicken the tops on the fan-braced guitars a hair on the next round, shooting for a little more control in the mid-range. Somogyi has a good discussion of the relative merits of fan braces allowing a strong cross-dipole (for classicals) and X-bracing suppressing this (for steel strings), with the implication that the switch is not generally advantageous. In the end, it's all in the hands of the builder, of course. |
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| Author: | Hupaand [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
I asked this same question some time ago and got many of the same replies. The practical advise was that if you do it, make the braces about 3/4 the thickness of those on a steel string guitar, and expect the weaker sound already described. I didn't end up building the classical guitar, but I may someday. |
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| Author: | aqualibguitars [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
really appreciate opinions of all the friends to be honest i have not got the answer. but what i like about all of u guys is that ur so desperate to help amauters like me becuase of ur genuine replie i have become luthier god bless u all of them |
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| Author: | Carey [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
Steel strings load the instrument with about twice the tension compared to nylon or carbon, not 4x. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: X-bracing ffor Classical guitar |
Jim Kirby wrote: - rather, I think I will thicken the tops on the fan-braced guitars a hair on the next round, shooting for a little more control in the mid-range. That has been my experience with the Romanillos design using thicker tops and lighter bridges. |
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