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Author:  Hastings Guitars [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:56 am ]
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Hello from England.

I have been studying the basics of Luthiery at a local college and under the supervision of an established Luthier, and have almost completed my second guitar. I love it and I know that this is something that I am going to do for the rest of my days, even though I am still a little "green" as we English might say.

Well I was wondering how many of you solely use hand tools; and if not, what "power tools" could you not live without/ would be the ones you'd recommend a start up to get first? I am at the beginnings and am getting myself set up slowly and have only bought hand tools so far (the only electrics are Lights, Radio and a Kettle).

Also, when making (from plans) how strict are you to following the plans, do you ever get the urge to build with a bit more of a Jazz ethos? (Quote "If you cook by recipes, you will always eat the same meal. Cook by principle, ....etc you get the idea")

Would be interesting to get your “2 pence”.

Cheers Ed.
Author:  Kim [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:06 am ]
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Hello Ed, welcome to the OLF 8-)

If your in for the long haul, get a drum sander to thickness back sides and tops...you will find 'endless' other uses for this wonderful machine. I have a Jet 16/32 and love it but there are plenty of good thickness sanders on the market and it really is something you will most likely gravitate to, especially once you have taken on the job of trying to thickness a lovely bit of high figured wood with a hand plane...yes it can be done with care and finishing up with a well tuned scraper but chances are you will be wondering if you will bother again by the time your done. If you do get yourself a thickness sander, you 'will' need adequate dust extraction to prevent burning the wood and your lungs.

The only other 'must' have in electrification is a small 'good quality' bandsaw. Even a good bench top 3 wheeler will get the job done and you will find many uses for that tool also.

Good luck [:Y:]

Kim
Author:  Michael.N. [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:23 am ]
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Bandsaw is my only Power tool and even that gets little use. It's a cheap 6" under the guides model. Unless I was pushing out 20 Guitars + per year I personally wouldn't feel the need for a power sander. I can thickness Backs/Sides and Tops pretty efficiently using hand Planes. Finish with a scraper and it can be reasonably quick.
A decent No.5.5 Plane can be had for very little. In fact the one I have was given gratis, a 1970's Stanley. Supposedly the worst of the bunch but mine works wonderfully. I use it to both join and thickness, doesn't need any dust extraction. Probably better to learn using hand tools and buy the more expensive Power tools if you feel the need. Believe me,over the years you can spend a frightening amount of money on tools.
Author:  Mike Lindstrom [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:53 am ]
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Get a lathe and learn to turn pens. It's way faster and less frustrating. laughing6-hehe

Kim's right. A thickness sander is a wonderful thing to own. I love mine and wouldn't be without it. But he's also right that they require good dust collection which is eats up a good amount of space. Before I had my sander, I was very pleased with my Safe-t-planer which you use with a drill press. And it makes much bigger chunks of wood, so I'm not worried about breathing it in.

If you're trying to minimize power tools, I'd probably get a good drill press first. Mine gets used far more than the sander does. Of course, most of the things it is used for would not be difficult to do by hand either.

And on bandsaws, I had a cheapo one that worked great, but I've also used some that could not be set up to make a controlled cut in a 1/8" spruce top plate. Try a friend's before buying one.

Mike
Author:  WudWerkr [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:55 am ]
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welcome to the circus Ed . laughing6-hehe
Author:  Colin North [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:29 am ]
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Hi Ed, welcome to the forum.
You can live without any power tools, but, drill press, small bandsaw, dust extractor, and laminate trimmer would be my personal short list.
Author:  crazicarl [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:04 pm ]
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Welcome, Ed. I'm just starting out and to date I've only used a couple of different hand saws, a block plane, scraper and a band saw (which was only for cutting the rough shape of the top.)

My next purchase, though, will definitely be a good drill press with some weight to it--not a bench top.

Otherwise, besides a router for the truss rod channel and for trim, I don't suppose one needs much else electric.

Enjoy the forum; I'm new but these guys are great.
Author:  Trevor Gore [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:36 am ]
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Hello Ed,

You can do a whole lot with just hand tools, but joint top of the list of power tools are a large drill press (16mm chuck, at least 150mm throat) and at least a 14" bandsaw. Anything smaller on these two items are really just toys. If you're making jigs/fixtures, these two tools are worth their weight just for the extra speed and accuracy. After that, a collection of routers; at least one large enough to table mount and at least one small enough for cutting binding ledge rebates etc..

Re: making from plans, after you have the plantilla down, throw them out! Making to someone else's dimensions using wood of undoubtedly different properties to whoever produced the plan will just ensure a mediocre guitar. As soon as you have the basic skills down, move as soon as possible to building to acoustical specifications rather than a set of linear dimensions. There's more about that sort of thing on my web site.
Author:  jfmckenna [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:58 am ]
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Hello Ed.

I would suggest you look at what aspects of lutherie you enjoy. If it's something you want to do as a hobby and for relaxation and you enjoy working with hand tools then just stick to that. If you are more interested in the finished product but not necessarily the the way in which you get there then power tools are helpful. I'm surprised to see so many say how valuable a drill press is as I've never actually owned one. But the drum sander is a tool I got after 15 years of building guitars and wished I had gotten it much sooner. Band saws are very useful if you get a hold of some wood that needs to be resawn. At the very least a laminate trimmer/router and hand drill.

As for plans, take them all with a grain of salt. They are just to point you in the right direction.
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