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| Author: | sdsollod [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
Do you tuck your lower x-braces or not? I have done it both ways... some do, some don't. What's your opinion? Steve |
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| Author: | murrmac [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
There would appear to be no valid reason to do so, and several reasons not to do so. |
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| Author: | Darryl Young [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
I don't. Can't say if it makes a big difference or not, but I don't. My theory is keep the perimeter of the lower bout as free to move as possible. |
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| Author: | Tom West [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
Steve: I tuck the X braces at the bottom. The main reason is that I use them as registeration points when gluing the top. Same with the upper X and the UTB. I do take the end down to about .060 or so. If you leave the tucked ends heavy you can tighten up the top too much in my opinion.Some folks don't tuck the lower X and taper the ends down to nothing to help prevent the brace from peeling in case of a hard knock. I see nothing wrong with that,so it's pay your money and take your chances with whatever way you prefer. Tom |
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| Author: | David Newton [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
Tucking, or not tucking, the lower main braces, in addition to the tone bars, is a tool to control tone. It is another technique that the builder can use to shape the tone he wants. As an example, tucking the lower braces and tonebars can help a dreadnaught in the treble department. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
I've done both, it's a very small piece of the puzzle IMO tucking can be rectified in other ways to get the same result as untucked.... |
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| Author: | ChuckB [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
I have done it both ways, and currently prefer not to tuck the lower X. I seem to have better results closing the ring+ mode. Chuck |
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| Author: | Burton LeGeyt [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
It depends on the guitar for me but usually tapered to nothing before the linings. |
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| Author: | Alain Moisan [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
murrmac wrote: There would appear to be no valid reason to do so, and several reasons not to do so. Would you care to elaborate on this? Why is it Ok to tuck in other braces but not the X? And what are the "several reasons not to do so"? I personnally tuck in the bottom X, but I may be wrong doing so, which is why I'd like to know more about what you have in mind. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
Untucking braces and fleathering them to nothing near the lining allows the plate to move much more as a unit rather than having a brace in the lower bout coupled fast to the rims to stop or slow the vibration of that area of the plate, it is my opinion that this allows for a bit more sustain versus tucked braces. Think about a drum skin, hit it with a drum stick and it will vibrate to some oscelation, uniform (because it is not impeded by anything but the tightness of the skin), now hold one drum stick on the skin right at the edge of the rim with a skosh overhand into the open area of the drum, it will damp the skin somewhat... Tried this with a drummer friend of mine and it was an interesting, simple experiment. I of course could be off base here, but that's my thinking. |
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| Author: | Mark Groza [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
It depends if you want a tight top or loose one. I build according to a particular plan for that guitar , so i'll do both to get the results i want. Same for the braceing. |
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| Author: | SteveCourtright [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
Clearly good sounding guitars can be made both ways. I don't tuck the lower X-brace arms just because it sort of suits my image of how the (my) guitars work. |
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| Author: | Steve Davis [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
I definitely dont do it on small guitars |
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| Author: | Mark Tripp [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do you tuck your lower x-braces? |
I don't tuck anything in the lower bout, but tuck the upper X, and transverse brace. -Mark |
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