Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sun May 17, 2026 12:20 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:08 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 3820
Location: Taiwan
First name: Tai
Last Name: Fu
City: Taipei
Country: Taiwan
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
On my last build, I had a gap between the fingerboard and the body because of the 25' radius. How do I eliminate that gap? I thought if I angle the neck just right it will close that gap, but then the problem is the bridge and the saddle needs to be very large in order to have a high enough action for playing.

Is 25' too much for a top? What if I go with a shallower radius like 40' or even 60'?

_________________
Cat-gut strings are made from kitten guts, stretched out to near breaking point and then hardened with grue saliva. As a result these give a feeling of Pain and anguish whenever played, and often end up playing themselves backwards as part of satanic rituals.

Typhoon Guitars
http://www.typhoon-guitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:19 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:46 pm
Posts: 950
First name: Francis
Last Name: Richer
City: Montréal
State: Québec
Zip/Postal Code: H4G 2Z2
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
For me, the top if flat upside the soundhole.

_________________
Francis Richer, Montréal
Les Guitares F&M Guitars


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:39 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:14 am
Posts: 195
First name: Nils
Last Name: Johnson
City: Boston
State: Massachusetts
I sand the top so its flat where the fingerboard goes over the body...but im not quite sure where you mean the gap is.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:44 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:17 am
Posts: 1293
First name: John
Last Name: Arnold
City: Newport
State: TN
Zip/Postal Code: 37821
Country: USA
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
Your two choices are to shim the fingerboard tongue, or plane/sand some off the very end of the fingerboard.
I use a 60 foot radius on the #1 cross brace in the upper bout. That tends to produce a straight fingerboard with a reasonable neck angle.
The way I look at it, there is no good reason to build a top with a constant radius. My X-braces have a 25 foot radius above the bridge, but are flat below. The tone bars and finger braces are also flat. The idea: that shape is better for resisting the torque on the top at the bridge, and it works very well. When compared to the plane of the edges of the top (I glue the top to a flat rim), the bridge is slightly tilted back before the strings are tightened. With full tension, the bridge is parallel with the edge of the body.

_________________
John


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:19 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:08 pm
Posts: 1958
Location: Missouri
First name: Patrick
Last Name: Hanna
State: Missouri
Country: USA
John has offered two workable solutions (the second requiring that you set the neck a little deeper in its mortise). You could also sand a flat as wide as the fingerboard, running from the sound hole to the neck end, then gradually lower your neck tenon into the mortise until the bottom of the fingerboard is flush with the flat.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:39 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 3820
Location: Taiwan
First name: Tai
Last Name: Fu
City: Taipei
Country: Taiwan
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
Todd Stock wrote:
Same as John...60' radius on the UTB. Going flat invites a concave top on the upper bout, while 60' gives just enough arch so that under load the upper bout is flat or very slightly arched (90' or so radius).


I was just thinking, what about 25' for the rest of the top (X-brace, tone bars, etc) and flat but thicker UTB? The only issue I see here is how would I glue up the bracing with different radius?

_________________
Cat-gut strings are made from kitten guts, stretched out to near breaking point and then hardened with grue saliva. As a result these give a feeling of Pain and anguish whenever played, and often end up playing themselves backwards as part of satanic rituals.

Typhoon Guitars
http://www.typhoon-guitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:24 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 3820
Location: Taiwan
First name: Tai
Last Name: Fu
City: Taipei
Country: Taiwan
Focus: Repair
Status: Semi-pro
Todd Stock wrote:
Just glue everything up normally except UTB, which gets a little extra pressure. Works fine.


Should I sand the top rim with the dish, or is it better if I simply sanded it flat?

_________________
Cat-gut strings are made from kitten guts, stretched out to near breaking point and then hardened with grue saliva. As a result these give a feeling of Pain and anguish whenever played, and often end up playing themselves backwards as part of satanic rituals.

Typhoon Guitars
http://www.typhoon-guitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 116 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com