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Please post some pics of your shop-made buffer. I'd enjoy seeing how you made it.

Love them but DANG do they make a mess of my shop!

Nice home made machine!

Can you tell me approximately the speed of this kind of buffing wheel? How many rpm?

Q.

I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though.

quentinjazz wrote:

Nice home made machine!

Can you tell me approximately the speed of this kind of buffing wheel? How many rpm?

Q.

I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though.

Is there a tutorial on buffing somewhere? I would like to see it demonstrated what not to do.
And of course what to do.
MM

Wait until you get the first body tossed...big WOW! But seriously...pad the floor and anything close to the buffer with 1/2" closed cell foam...

Rod True wrote:

quentinjazz wrote:

Nice home made machine!

Can you tell me approximately the speed of this kind of buffing wheel? How many rpm?

Q.

I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though.

Rod and Lars, can I ask -
What power are the motors?
What size of wheels, diameter/Width?
What type or grade are the buffs?
I just got an arbour (27" shaft, a little shorter than I wanted)) and am looking to set up a similar buffing system
Any advice very welcome.

Rod True wrote:

I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though.

Exactly 140rpm faster, Rod! :mrgreen:

(sorry couldn't resist)

Filippo

I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though.

My motor is 1/4hp
Wheels, you mean pullies? 2" on the motor, 4" on the buffer shaft. The shaft is 1" dia.
Canton flannel buffs, 12" from LMI.

Good point Michael. [:Y:]

.

So my machine is real fast. I would say to fast but as is, its working perfect, so far no burn through. have to be careful I guess. or is it recommended to get me a slower motor ?

Lars

Author:	Lars Stahl [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:53 am ]
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Just build me a buffing maching similar to stew macs. and WOOOOW what difference in polishing guitars. it alike night and day to use this machine. here are some shots of my latest guitar buffed by this machine.. may be hard to see the shine but man this was fuuuun. Lars Attachment: frontside.jpg Attachment: newfront.jpg[/attachment[attachment=0]frontside.jpg

Author:	banjopicks [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:15 am ]
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Exactly. I can't imagine doing it any other way. I never had to.

Author:	cphanna [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:07 pm ]
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Hey, Lars, Please post some pics of your shop-made buffer. I'd enjoy seeing how you made it. Thanks, Patrick

Author:	CharlieT [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:00 pm ]
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cphanna wrote: Please post some pics of your shop-made buffer. I'd enjoy seeing how you made it. Me too!

Author:	Lars Stahl [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:10 pm ]
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Already did the big wow, it grabbed the body and throw it to the floor I was a little lucky though, it hit the cable you see on the photo so it only got 2 smaller marks that I could easily fix. but I sure know that wow feeling following stiffness to the body then a big AAAAARRGGGHHHHH. hahaha. Still what a difference compared to my old way to buff ( see photo) Patric, Hope these photos helps Attachment: old buffer.jpg Attachment: IMG_6513.jpg Attachment: IMG_6515.jpg Attachment: buff2.jpg Attachment: buffern.jpg

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Author:	LanceK [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:15 pm ]
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Love them but DANG do they make a mess of my shop!

Author:	Rod True [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:45 pm ]
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LanceK wrote: Love them but DANG do they make a mess of my shop! Big +1 to that. Lars, flip that thing over so you get everything hanging down, you'll have less chance of bumping a body on those big corners. Just switch the lead and ground wire in the motor and the motor will sping the opposite direction. Yours is very similar to mine, I made mine so it mounts to a wall (I can take it down by removing 7 screws), mounted this way gets everything up above the plane of buffing (if you know what I mean).

Author:	cphanna [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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Thanks, Lars and Rod. Interesting the way you guys developed your designs so similarly. Sorry to hear your guitar got tossed, Lars, but I'm glad it was not badly damaged. Nice work, guys. Patrick

Author:	Lars Stahl [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:02 pm ]
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Thanks Rod for the tip !! . Its temporarily clamped now will find a better place for it soon. ! will try to make it as you suggested .. Lars

Author:	quentinjazz [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:19 pm ]
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Nice home made machine! Can you tell me approximately the speed of this kind of buffing wheel? How many rpm? Q.

Author:	Rod True [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm ]
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quentinjazz wrote: Nice home made machine! Can you tell me approximately the speed of this kind of buffing wheel? How many rpm? Q. I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though.

Author:	mikemcnerney [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm ]
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Is there a tutorial on buffing somewhere? I would like to see it demonstrated what not to do. And of course what to do. MM

Author:	quentinjazz [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:58 pm ]
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Rod True wrote: I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though. Ok that's not really fast in fact. Thank you for the information.

Author:	Colin North [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:26 pm ]
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Rod True wrote: quentinjazz wrote: Nice home made machine! Can you tell me approximately the speed of this kind of buffing wheel? How many rpm? Q. I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though. Rod and Lars, can I ask - What power are the motors? What size of wheels, diameter/Width? What type or grade are the buffs? I just got an arbour (27" shaft, a little shorter than I wanted)) and am looking to set up a similar buffing system Any advice very welcome.

Author:	Lars Stahl [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:54 am ]
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Here´s my setup. and please do help me calculate the speed of mine to.... I am lost at that... Motor is 2800 rpm 1,7 HP ( 1.25KW) 380V 50HZ 3" thingy on the motor 4,5" thingy on the 3/4" shaft (34" long) 12" polishing pads ( 2 on each side ) It sure makes a mess though Lars.

Author:	woodbutcher50 [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:27 am ]
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Lars, This is the formula: Motor speed X Drive Pulley Diameter / Driven Pulley Diameter In your case: 2800 x 3 / 4.5 = 1866.666.... RPM At 12" diameter the speed at the edge of the buffing wheel is: 1866.667(RPM) x 1(diameter in feet) x 3.14 (pi)= 5861.333 Feet per Minute So you are working over a mile per minute! Mark

Author:	Michael.N. [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:21 am ]
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You wouldn't find me using one of those! Don't wish to be a killjoy but at least cover the belt guys.

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Author:	Marcus [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:58 pm ]
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mikemcnerney wrote: Is there a tutorial on buffing somewhere? I would like to see it demonstrated what not to do. And of course what to do. MM I think this one is pretty decent: http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Finishing_supplies/Abrasives,_polishes,_buffers/Guitar_Buffing_Arbor.html?tab=Video#details

Author:	TonyFrancis [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:34 pm ]
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Todd Stock wrote: Wait until you get the first body tossed...big WOW! But seriously...pad the floor and anything close to the buffer with 1/2" closed cell foam... That is the truth! Every time I go near the buffer I get the hebe jebes, even though I only had such a mistake happen once. Bill Hardin almost lost his hand on a buffer! Lars I am sure that rotary buffer will still be really useful for touchup work on the bench!

Author:	Rod True [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:53 pm ]
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Colin North wrote: Rod True wrote: quentinjazz wrote: Nice home made machine! Can you tell me approximately the speed of this kind of buffing wheel? How many rpm? Q. I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though. Rod and Lars, can I ask - What power are the motors? What size of wheels, diameter/Width? What type or grade are the buffs? I just got an arbour (27" shaft, a little shorter than I wanted)) and am looking to set up a similar buffing system Any advice very welcome. My motor is 1/4hp Wheels, you mean pullies? 2" on the motor, 4" on the buffer shaft. The shaft is 1" dia. Canton flannel buffs, 12" from LMI. Do a search for buffer with my name and you will find a few threads from last fall where I was asking all the questions as I just did mine then.

Author:	Rod True [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:52 pm ]
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Filippo Morelli wrote: Rod True wrote: I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though. Exactly 140rpm faster, Rod! (sorry couldn't resist) Filippo Snap.....Youch! LOL. I think the faster speed will help cut a bit better. I find I really have to dig in or spend a lot of time at the buffer to get a deep mirror shine so maybe a bit more speed will help, but won't get me too close to burn through.

Author:	Darryl Young [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:11 pm ]
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Rod True wrote: I run mine at 2:1 so around 860 rpm, I think I'd like it a bit faster around 1000 rpm though. My motor is 1/4hp Wheels, you mean pullies? 2" on the motor, 4" on the buffer shaft. The shaft is 1" dia. Canton flannel buffs, 12" from LMI. Rod, I would say you are about 800 RPM with those pully sizes......so you probably would benefit from a little more speed. I think I used a 1 3/4" pulley on the motor and 3.05" pulley on the shaft for 924 RPM. My setup is similar to Rod's (looked at his pics and post when building mine). I also used a 1/4HP motor based on advise from John Hall and I keep the belt loose so if I put too much pressure it will stall the buffing wheels. I bought the pulleys and bearings off e-bay. Cheapest place I found to get buffing wheels was having them made by Menzerna. BTW, a 1" shaft seems to be an oddball size for buffing wheels. 1 1/4" and 3/4" are standard sizes it seems and I could have bought those sizes off the shelf from Menzerna. They custom made the 1" wheels but still a good price. The problem is finding a flange for a 1" shaft as it costs a bit to have a set custom made. I finally found a flange for a 1" shaft at a decent price at Grizzly. Attachment: Buffer1Small.JPG Attachment: Buffer2Small.JPG

Author:	alan stassforth [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:06 am ]
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Yeah, I would like to know how to calculate that. Nice job Lars!

Author:	Lars Stahl [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:58 pm ]
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Good point Michael. . So my machine is real fast. I would say to fast but as is, its working perfect, so far no burn through. have to be careful I guess. or is it recommended to get me a slower motor ? Lars

Author:	Rod True [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:21 pm ]
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Lars Stahl wrote: Good point Michael. . So my machine is real fast. I would say to fast but as is, its working perfect, so far no burn through. have to be careful I guess. or is it recommended to get me a slower motor ? Lars Yes, I'd slow it down for sure. Just get a smaller "thingy" pully for the motor, go down to 1-3/4" or 2" for a speed between 1100-1200rpm.