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Radial Purfling...Help Me Find the Originator
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Author:  B. Howard [ Mon May 23, 2011 6:24 pm ]
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What exactly is radial purfuling? Did a search of the forum and didn't get any hits.
Author:  Dave Fifield [ Mon May 23, 2011 6:48 pm ]
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So called "radial purfling" or "marquetry edge banding" has been used for hunderds of years as far as I can tell. I don't think it is possible to reliably attribute its use to lutherie to any one person in particular.

Cheers,
Dave F.
Author:  John Mayes [ Mon May 23, 2011 8:37 pm ]
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The first I remember seeing it was on Jim Olsons guitars. This was quite a many years back, but I'm sure it was done before him. I don't get out of my shop much or see many others guitars though so I'm sure someone has a much more informed answer than this.
Author:  Burton LeGeyt [ Tue May 24, 2011 10:09 am ]
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Why does it matter who did it "first"?
Author:  Burton LeGeyt [ Tue May 24, 2011 11:12 am ]
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Cool. I was just curious. Thanks for the response.
Author:  munen [ Tue May 24, 2011 11:16 am ]
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that kind of purfling looks real nice and solid.
do you need to bend it on a hot pipe or it just bends cold?
Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Tue May 24, 2011 12:14 pm ]
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Todd Stock wrote:
No bending...just snap it in like shell and soak the channel with CA...very easy to do. Toughest part is cutting the strips to consistent width.


Todd, do you cut yours close to width, and then dial it in with a thickness sander?
That seems one way to skin the cat...

Just wondering.

Thanks,

Steve
Author:  Chris Ensor [ Tue May 24, 2011 1:39 pm ]
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While I am sure the snapping in method works, I have had some trouble with consistence on width. I now glue up a few pieces to length, cut them a little wide, then sand them to exact width. I also laminate my outside purfs on it and bend them. I have found this method to work just fine.
Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Tue May 24, 2011 7:31 pm ]
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Thanks guys,

Steve
Author:  Darryl Young [ Tue May 24, 2011 7:37 pm ]
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Todd Stock wrote:
I cut on the tablesaw using a cover plate...consistent to .002, so good enough. These are tiny little strips...


Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by a coverplate?
Author:  WaddyThomson [ Wed May 25, 2011 1:45 pm ]
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I just glued up pieces into a big stick and bent mine. Ignorance is bliss !
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Author:  Steve_E [ Wed May 25, 2011 3:17 pm ]
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Waddy, that is the best rosette yet! Is that your latest?

Absolutely gorgeous!
Steve
Author:  WaddyThomson [ Wed May 25, 2011 7:07 pm ]
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Thanks, Steve. That is my most recent. It'll be #9, and my first WRC top - Pau Ferro back and sides. I thought the radial Zebrawood would fit nicely.
Author:  Chris Ensor [ Wed May 25, 2011 9:16 pm ]
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I also like zebrawood for radials. I am using it on a maple/sitka auditorium. It is paired with a zebrawood rosette and end wedge. Should be finished soon.
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Author:  Shawn [ Thu May 26, 2011 7:15 am ]
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I agree that it is cool but nothing new. One of my first guitars I built back in the 70's had brazilian tulipwood (Dalbergia frutescens) crosscut strips since it is very distinct in color with gold/red stripes.

The person that suggested it to me if I remember was Thomas Humphries who at that time was working in Michael Gurian's shop. He was talking about how the french bombard furniture would use tiles of tulipwood with the grain arranged like a checkerboard and that the english would use satinwood and other exotic grain woods but as lines to frame the tops and drawers of furniture.

He explained that rope, herringbone and other ornamental purfling came to be as a way to bend wood around a radius but that theoretically there was no reason why a thin crosscut strip could not be used if it was a species in which the grain was more pronounced.

Note that I never saw it one of his classicals as back in those days the guys in the Gurian shop were building mostly steel string with a much smaller number of classicals.
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