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Author:  Mike OMelia [ Wed May 11, 2011 8:26 pm ]
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Anybody used this in their bolt on necks?

http://www.amazon.com/Solid-Brass-Cross ... 70&sr=1-50

Mike
Author:  Eric Hoffer [ Wed May 11, 2011 8:33 pm ]
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Yes, check it out

http://www.cumpiano.com/Home/Articles/S ... block.html
Author:  Chris Pile [ Wed May 11, 2011 8:41 pm ]
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My Stew-Mac bench is held together that way.
Author:  Tom West [ Wed May 11, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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Yes,but in steel not brass.
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Wed May 11, 2011 9:00 pm ]
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I thought this made sense. I have never been impressed with the screw in nuts. Settles it for me.

Thanks,

Mike
Author:  theguitarwhisperer [ Wed May 11, 2011 9:51 pm ]
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Nothing wrong with the dovetail either. Plenty of furniture made that way, too.
I use this cross dowel/bolt system for my acoustics, I learned it directly from Cumpiano in his shop.
Works great!
Author:  Chris Pile [ Wed May 11, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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Quote:
I use this cross dowel/bolt system for my acoustics, I learned it directly from Cumpiano in his shop.


Bill is no dummy.
Author:  Steve Saville [ Thu May 12, 2011 12:45 am ]
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Mike O'Melia wrote:
I thought this made sense. I have never been impressed with the screw in nuts. Settles it for me.

Thanks,

Mike

I'm not impressed with these barrel nuts and I like the screw in nuts.
I believe either one when properly executed will be fine.
Author:  Tom West [ Thu May 12, 2011 6:22 am ]
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Mike: Before you start,check out Cumpiano's tendon reinforcement. I use that now and think it makes a lot of sense.
Tom
Author:  TonyKarol [ Thu May 12, 2011 7:05 am ]
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tendons join muscle to bone ... in woodworking, its called a tenon, for all you kerfed linings out there ...
Author:  jfmckenna [ Thu May 12, 2011 7:42 am ]
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Todd Stock wrote:
The big advantage of the barrel nut approach is that alignment is a little less critical - particularly where the neck block holes are 5/16". Brass versus steel for the hardware is nice. None of my students have had any issues with getting a decent fit, so it's a decent low-tech approach that works. That said, there are a bunch of ways to do this, and inserts have worked about as well for me on a few guitars.

Yeah and it would probably be good for a future neck reset to as the barrels will roll in place to the new neck angle.

I still use the screw in nuts with a flush heal joint but I've been thinking of converting to a tenon type joint for some time. Maybe next year laughing6-hehe
Author:  Dave Stewart [ Thu May 12, 2011 8:04 am ]
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I use the barrel nut system on my archtops & it works like a charm.
(Did a tutorial a while back ...... viewtopic.php?f=10117&t=16049 )
I also reinforce tenons, by drilling for a full height 3/8" dowel, for my own peace of mind.
Author:  Tom West [ Thu May 12, 2011 9:14 am ]
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Tony Old Boy: Check your spelling verrrry carfully from now on..................!! laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe
Tom
Never did last too long in spelling bees.
Author:  Tom West [ Thu May 12, 2011 9:15 am ]
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Tony Old Boy: Check your spelling verrrry carfully from now on..................!! laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe
Tom
Never did last too long in spelling bees.
Author:  Stuart Gort [ Thu May 12, 2011 9:17 am ]
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I drill into the end of the tenon and epoxy in a 3/16" stud. When the neck is joined that stud protrudes into the neck pickup cavity. Tightening a nut over that stud during gluing draws the joint together very nicely. It made a tremendous difference in the neck body glue joint on my electrics.

This hardware would do the same thing and might be a little easier to work.
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Thu May 12, 2011 9:36 am ]
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What is a flush heel? No tenon?
Author:  TonyKarol [ Thu May 12, 2011 10:02 am ]
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What . u donnt lik mi speelin ....
Author:  SteveSmith [ Thu May 12, 2011 10:04 am ]
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I use them but in with a brass barrel and stainless steel bolts. Also do the mortise ad tenon though.
Author:  Hupaand [ Thu May 12, 2011 10:16 am ]
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You use the barrel upright, don't you?
Author:  Steve Saville [ Thu May 12, 2011 10:25 am ]
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Mike O'Melia wrote:
What is a flush heel? No tenon?

Yes. Several on the OLF do that - not me.
Author:  crich [ Thu May 12, 2011 11:07 am ]
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This thread has got me rolling on the floor laughing. I don't consider myself eminently cognizant of all the grammatical perimeters, but this is just crazy. We'd just as well be texting! [uncle] laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe Clinton
Author:  CharlieT [ Thu May 12, 2011 11:30 am ]
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crich wrote:
...eminently cognizant of all the grammatical perimeters...


You had me rolling on the floor with that one, Clinton. laughing6-hehe This has been an entertaining thread. :D
Author:  WaddyThomson [ Thu May 12, 2011 11:31 am ]
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crich wrote:
This thread has got me rolling on the floor laughing. I don't consider myself eminently cognizant of all the grammatical perimeters, but this is just crazy. We'd just as well be texting! [uncle] laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe Clinton


And the beat goes on! [headinwall] [headinwall] laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe
Author:  crich [ Thu May 12, 2011 11:42 am ]
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Perimeter-border of any area or any kind of limit

Parameter-a variable which has the same value in more than one equation

Waddy, Is this what you're suggesting?? Clinton
Author:  Stuart Gort [ Thu May 12, 2011 12:17 pm ]
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If one purposefully varies parameters...is it spuntaneity?
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