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(if you're using something specific can you please post a URL to the exact product your using ... seems like there are many flavors of sandpapers ... thanks)

Guys, I need to re-up my sandpaper supply for my Performax 22/44. Don't want to buy Performax $$$$ paper. Looked in the archives and a few people suggested Econ Abrasives. I also looked at Supergrit in PA that I've used before.

Econ: https://www.econabrasives.com/products.php?id=162&size=3%22X25Yards
Supergrit: http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_rolldrumsleeve-cloth.asp

So I'm thinking Aluminum Oxide 3" x 25 yd, 80 grit and 120 grit cloth back rolls. My question - does it matter whether I go with a J weight or X weight cloth back?

Any other opinions or suggestions are most appreciated. Thanks!

Filippo

The woodworker supply stuff maybe overkill, but it does last a long time helping to offset the cost.
Also, I may be crazy, but I'll give it a light spray with Pam cooking spray prior to sanding resinous woods. It's like adding extra horse power to the drum sander.

Initial follow up. The abrasives arrived. Very easy to cut based on an existing Performax roll. Thus far I've sanded macassar ebony, spanish cedar, spruce, Padauk and maple. I am very pleased with the performance of this paper, as well as the cost. Now we'll see how long it lasts. I suspect the longevity will be superior to the Performax paper I had been using.

Filippo

I suspect the longevity will be superior to the Performax paper I had been using.

Author:	Howard Klepper [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:48 pm ]
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Filippo Morelli wrote: (if you're using something specific can you please post a URL to the exact product your using ... seems like there are many flavors of sandpapers ... thanks) Guys, I need to re-up my sandpaper supply for my Performax 22/44. Don't want to buy Performax $$$$ paper. Looked in the archives and a few people suggested Econ Abrasives. I also looked at Supergrit in PA that I've used before. Econ: https://www.econabrasives.com/products.php?id=162&size=3%22X25Yards Supergrit: http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_rolldrumsleeve-cloth.asp So I'm thinking Aluminum Oxide 3" x 25 yd, 80 grit and 120 grit cloth back rolls. My question - does it matter whether I go with a J weight or X weight cloth back? Any other opinions or suggestions are most appreciated. Thanks! Filippo Not sure about X vs. J, but I have found that quality matters. And that Klingspor is good.

Author:	woody b [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:14 pm ]
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I use Klingspor Alumina-Zirconia from Klingspor woodworking shop. It's available in 18 or 50 meter rolls. They deliver to my shop. I'm not sure if their delivery area gets all the way up to your area, but they'll ship too. (actually the delivery truck mainly goes to automotive body shops) http://www.woodworkingshop.com/cgi-bin/E1CDCD0A/mac/qryitems.mac/itemDisplay?qryType=STYLE&itemSt=PE41000&coreDsc=3%22X%2050%20METER%20ALUMINA%20ZIRCONIA%20BULK%20ROLLS They've also got aluminum oxide, which is what I believe the Performax abrasives are. http://www.woodworkingshop.com/cgi-bin/E1CDCD0A/mac/qryitems.mac/itemDisplay?qryType=STYLE&itemSt=PE003X50&coreDsc=3%22X%2050%20METER%20ALUMINUM%20OXIDE%20BULK%20ROLLS My sander is a 10-20, but I believe the abrasives are the same. (except for length).

Author:	Phillip Patton [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:21 pm ]
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I'm pretty new to drum sanders, but this is what I bought: http://www.woodmastertools.com/NS/acces ... cfm?PID=78 I can say that the X weight are stiffer than J weight, and for this I would think X weight would be better.

Author:	Link Van Cleave [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:51 pm ]
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Filippo, I have started shopping with 2sand.com. I have talked with the owner, RJ. He is pretty cool. He sells about everything. You can get rolls of paper for your Performax. You have to cut the ends which is no big deal. I make a wooden template and hit with a utility knife and or use a old roll to get the length right. I also was able to get some 24" dia. disks for the radius dish. About $9 a piece. I got 80 grit and some 180 for the final hit prior to glue up. These aren't PSA but some 77 spray adhesive takes care of that. Check him out. Link

Author:	Laurent Brondel [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:57 pm ]
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The last rolls I got are from Econ, and I will say I prefer them to the Klingspor ones. They seem to last longer, clog less and leave a better surface. Weight matters, you want thinner backing for higher grits, like 120, where you can really dial 1/2 thou at a time. The blue zirconia is great in the coarse grits to remove material in a hurry, like 24. However, I think it doesn't leave as nice a surface with finer grits.

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Author:	Bobc [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:32 pm ]
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When I had my 22-44 I bought rolls here. Good stuff http://www.industrialabrasives.com/sanding-rolls-aluminum-oxide-polycotton-drum-sanding-rolls-3x52-yds-c-79_154.html. and here http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/?google-sandpaper&gclid=CJvxpdqBk6gCFYbb4AoddWkeCw

Author:	Bobby M [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:43 pm ]
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Not to hijack your thread, but the last 3 rolls of Performax paper I bought all tore within 5 minutes of use. I'm using a 16-32 and have used extreme caution doing the wraps, even so much as re-wrapping 5-6 times before being satisfied. Is this a paper issue, user error or the sander? Thoughts?

Author:	ChuckB [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:26 pm ]
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My last rolls were from Econ abrasives and I have to say that I am very pleased at the quality. Prices are hard to beat also. Chuck

Author:	JimWomack [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:43 pm ]
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+2 for Online Industrial. Klingspor 3" x 50 yard cloth roll of 80 grit aluminum oxide will set you back about $65. And they're fast too. http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/3indrsaro.html

Author:	Jim Watts [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:06 pm ]
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Filippo, I've been pretty happy with this stuff http://woodworker.com/a-habrasives-3x91-zirc-36y-rdwrp-16-mssu-132-518.asp?search=sand&searchmode=2 It cuts really well, doesn't load up much, even on Cocobolo and It seem to have a very good life. I haven't tried the Klingspore stuff though.

Author:	Jim Watts [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:13 pm ]
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Thanks, I was trying to figure out why it wasn't hot.

Author:	Jim Kirby [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:40 pm ]
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Another vote for Online Industrial Supply, Bobc's second link. I've been happy with their paper's performance and longevity. I haven't gone through a complete roll of anything yet. Jim

Author:	WudWerkr [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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There are several types of abrasives out there for the cost effectivness and longevity . X wt Cloth is going to be stiffer and will sand better at your rougher grits , 40 / 60 / 80 /100 / 120 and will last longer . Simply put you can get everything up through 320 in an xwt material . Jwt is a little easier to work with , however due to the flexability and thinnes it will get hot and stretch faster . ALL Cloth backed stuff will stretch some and may require re- tightening if your doing alot of sanding . VSM abrasives is a good product , Klingspor is a good product , Econ may be , Im not to familiar with them . Carborundum is another one . The best cost savings is to make a pattern and cut your own strips , Purchase the 3" x 50Yd rolls and cut them yourself . In regards to softer wood that will load up the material I would go with a cheaper brand / material since you will never get the full life as it loads up anyway . There are soaps available to clean them , however it is a mess and if the cloth back gets soaked it doesnt last long PERSONALLY I use xwt cloth 3"x 50yd and cut them myself on both 80/120 grits and hand sand there after . Someone mentioned $65.00 a roll 3"x 50Yd that is good price if its a decent quality. I will be glad to quote anyone what dealer cost is if they would like to know an average to compair against what they pay .

Author:	WudWerkr [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:55 pm ]
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Additional thoughts . There is material that is "Canada Sand" if I remember correctly that is a good product . The main thing to realize is there are basically 4-6 MAJOR Bulk Sandpaper makers worldwide and they sell 52" wide rolls x 50yd long to various " Converters" who the cut it and make there own products . Sooooo you can have several diffrent brands that are basically the same stuff . The trick is to read the Back , there is a a brand mark on most stuff IE: KP911-120 is Vsm material really good stuff , Big $$ . Learning how to read and understand that will help . I will see if I can come up with a " chart " that I could post that may be helpfull On disc , your choices are " Cwt " and " Awt" Go Cwt , u will be happier .

Author:	klooker [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:41 am ]
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Just a little comment about Econabrasives - I placed an order on June 15 and they didn't ship until June 24th -that's 7 business days. They emailed me an order confirmation on the day I ordered but nothing after that until I called them to ask where my order was. Not exactly stellar customer service IMO - but then again, I was shopping based on price. Kevin Looker

Author:	Ed Haney [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:13 pm ]
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I quickly scanned this, but did not read it throughout. So I may be repeating something that was already said. I did not see it mentioned that you can avoid buying Klingspor at retail prices by establishing an account. (If it was, sorry for the repeat.) I recently submitted an application and established an account with Klingspor and bought their 25m rolls (oblivious longer than 25 yds) of 3" 80 grit PS29 and 120 grit PS20 paper at 65% of retail ($29.61/roll and $26.98 respectively final cost). Avoiding the pre-marked paper saved about 30% according to Klingspor. I can easily cut the paper without paying +30% for cut lines. I glanced at the Econ pricing which appears to be higher than Klingspor unless they are offering discounts. I can't speak to the quality difference between the two since I've never owned Econ. I was told that Klingspor is the maker of the paper for Performax. I am not making any recommendations, just passing on my experience in case it is of help. Ed

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Author:	WudWerkr [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:28 am ]
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Second Note ! The link listed to Woodworkers supply opens up to " Zirconia Abrasive" materials . This is good stuff , dont get me wrong . However its really a metal finishing paper! It is way overkill for wood . I am not saying you dont need it I am saying You will pay more and may not need to. Its also a Ywt Poly Backed Material so its thicker and stiffer . I do sell alot of that Material in " Wide Belts " but never in 3" wide for sanders .

Author:	Jim Watts [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:31 pm ]
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The woodworker supply stuff maybe overkill, but it does last a long time helping to offset the cost. Also, I may be crazy, but I'll give it a light spray with Pam cooking spray prior to sanding resinous woods. It's like adding extra horse power to the drum sander.

Author:	WudWerkr [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:11 pm ]
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Jim Watts wrote: The woodworker supply stuff maybe overkill, but it does last a long time helping to offset the cost. Also, I may be crazy, but I'll give it a light spray with Pam cooking spray prior to sanding resinous woods. It's like adding extra horse power to the drum sander. Your creating a Lubricant that helps the buildup problem , as long as it doesnt affect the wood your ok . You can actually buy sandpaper that has a bulit in lubricant for working stainless steels .

Author:	WudWerkr [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:20 am ]
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Quote: Initial follow up. The abrasives arrived. Very easy to cut based on an existing Performax roll. Thus far I've sanded macassar ebony, spanish cedar, spruce, Padauk and maple. I am very pleased with the performance of this paper, as well as the cost. Now we'll see how long it lasts. I suspect the longevity will be superior to the Performax paper I had been using. Filippo What is the spec information on the backing , I might be able to determine who's paper it is . Quote: I suspect the longevity will be superior to the Performax paper I had been using. Performax is all about " Convenience " they dont make their own stuff , its private labled by a converter for them .