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Author:  es guitars [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:51 pm ]
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Hi,

Just got my 2011 Grizzly catolog and they list a new 10" drum sander for $345. Seems to cheap was wondering if anyone had any info on it?

Thanks Brent
Author:  B. Howard [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:30 pm ]
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Got my catalog today and had to look. Did you notice the minimum thickness? At 3/16" I don't see it being useful for sides or soundboards without some mods.
Brian
Author:  alan stassforth [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:14 pm ]
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I took a look as well, and it's closed on both ends, so you couldn't thickness a joined top.
Author:  TomDl [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:47 pm ]
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With my 16/32, when the jaws came close together the sandpaper feed tended to rub against the drum. This was well within the allowed cutting range. It was only an annoyance, not serious, but it could have caused someone to look at it and specify a minimum range thinner than it could actually do. In any case, I always used it with a plywood bed to account for any error in the roller angle, and this allowed the machine to be operated with enough space between the roller and the bed for the papers to be well apart, or in this case for the minimum cut to be observed. I used 3mm ply but some people use thicker stuff that will support stops.

Also, my reading of the catalog says that the support for the outboard edge is removable:

"A removable headstock support bracket allows sanding up to 20". Simply remove the headstock support bracket, flip the board end-for-end and feed it through a second time. "

I think it is an interesting option, while small, that alone would be an advantage for many.
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:15 am ]
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I believe the Grizzly platen moves up and down, not the drum... Leastways that's what I remember. Also, you can thickness anything thinner with a board under it. Right? To avoid platen flex and vibration issues, I sanded my candy stripe purfling tonight to 0.15 (0.01 fiber backing for strength) using a .75" board as a platform (spray glued the puffing slab to it).

So, the 3/16" min thickness should not be an issue. And the removable end piece means you can do tops and backs. I did harp guitar tops on my 10-20 when I owned it.

Mike
Author:  Robbie_McD [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:27 am ]
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Hi Mike - can you be so kind as to elaborate on this "puffing slab" :?:
Author:  jac68984 [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:21 am ]
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If you can, check out the sander on Grizzly's website. It looks remarkably similar in design to a Preformax or Jet 10-20. The drum is raised and lowered to adjust thickness, and an independent motor drives a conveyor feed below just as the 10-20. The side support looks to be easily removable, and the drum design looks very familiar. It also seems to have plenty of power at 1 1/2 horse. I have a 16-32 older Preformax I found for a song on Craigslist - otherwise I would be all over this sander.
Author:  muddlermike [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:39 am ]
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I saw that too and was really intrigued. I've always had a bug up my butt about how expensive drum sanders are - seems like they are waaaay more expensive than they should be :) I was considering the Grizzly 18/36 one, but I think I will probably put this one on the list. Here's the link: http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Drum-Sander/G0716

With my past experience with grizzly, I would think it would be an excellent machine - especially for that price. Since it's got the same capacity as the performax/jet 10/20, I'm curious to know if those who have the jet/performax 10/20 model find it's capacity adequate for guitar work or not.
Author:  Mark Groza [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:24 pm ]
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Looks like an good sander for the money. I don't like the fact that there is only one speed on the drum, but i guess that could be an easy fix with a couple step pulleys. Might be nice for a small shop.
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:10 am ]
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Robbie_McD wrote:
Hi Mike - can you be so kind as to elaborate on this "puffing slab" :?:


viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=27934&p=374157&hilit=purfling#p374157

Also, search "Candy Cain Purfling"

Mike
Author:  ernie [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:55 am ]
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:( Personally griz quality is hit or miss.I personally would wait awhile to see what kind of track record this sander has with luthiers first. My 2 cents ernie. PS I have a 38in woodmaster sander
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:56 pm ]
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Mark Groza wrote:
Looks like an good sander for the money. I don't like the fact that there is only one speed on the drum, but i guess that could be an easy fix with a couple step pulleys. Might be nice for a small shop.


How many drum sanders out there have multiple-speed drums?
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:16 am ]
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I studied that drum sander (got my new Grizz catalogue). Looks like a good deal. Not sure why they feel the need to support the "free" end with that bracket. Hope it is built solidly so it can be used as an open end sander. IF all my budget could afford was that sander, I would try it. Motor is big enough.

Mike
Author:  TomDl [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:02 am ]
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It's a point about the drum end. But then if someone wants to do heavy end work with the sander, planing type cuts to the extent possible, and never needs the ability to do double wide work, why not have a support. When I owned my 16 32 I never used the open end feature. So I didn't need it. Obviously with this one the open end would get a lot of use.

I have been rethinking this machine though. Seems like it would cost as much to buy this thing as to buy a motor and controller set for a CNC. I already have the router. Just the nightmare of choosing or a frame design. I am starting to think money spent on stationary machines other than CNC is wasted. I can see a number of things where a CNC is verging on necessary...
Author:  Mike OMelia [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:11 am ]
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TomDl wrote:
It's a point about the drum end. But then if someone wants to do heavy end work with the sander, planing type cuts to the extent possible, and never needs the ability to do double wide work, why not have a support. When I owned my 16 32 I never used the open end feature. So I didn't need it. Obviously with this one the open end would get a lot of use.

I have been rethinking this machine though. Seems like it would cost as much to buy this thing as to buy a motor and controller set for a CNC. I already have the router. Just the nightmare of choosing or a frame design. I am starting to think money spent on stationary machines other than CNC is wasted. I can see a number of things where a CNC is verging on necessary...


I am not sure how much research you have done on these things, and also not sure what "controller set" entails, but these typically come in at around $2K on the low end. That said, I really like the Joe's 4x4 Hybrid and will be building it over time. THere is a nice CNC section in this forum, nice helpful folks.

Mike
Author:  B. Howard [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:19 pm ]
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I 've done some looking around and for the money the JET 10-20 plus bench-top drum sander looks like the one I would buy. It will surface to 1/32" without having to mess with trying to feed a stack into it and the carriage looks much sturdier with no outboard support to remove. All the Jet stuff we ever used was top quality, can't say the same about all the Grizzly stuff we've had over the years. I know it costs almost twice as much, but sometimes you only get what you pay for.
Brain
Author:  TomDl [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:32 am ]
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Thanks Mike,

Just an off the cuff remark. All the electrics from the computer to the screws will cost that.

ttt Has anyone used one of these Griz 10 inchers, or seen one in the showroom? I'm still interested, but being in Canada, it isn't practical to return it, so I would love to hear from someone who had gone first. :)
Author:  Mark Groza [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:46 am ]
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Mike O'Melia wrote:
Mark Groza wrote:
Looks like an good sander for the money. I don't like the fact that there is only one speed on the drum, but i guess that could be an easy fix with a couple step pulleys. Might be nice for a small shop.


How many drum sanders out there have multiple-speed drums?

I have the Delta 18/36 and it has a 2 speed drum. It has served me well so far.
Author:  TomDl [ Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:58 am ]
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Anyone buy one yet? Any reports?
Author:  nickton [ Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:58 am ]
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the guy who owns grizzly makes guitars as a hobby. I wonder if he's ever been on this forum? Seems it could be a good factor in their tools. Thoughts?
Author:  TomDl [ Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:48 am ]
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Certainly. as soon as he got involved Grizzly started to sell upgraded stuff that might be good for lutherie. Most notably horizontal resaws, various drum and belt sanders. And of course smalls supplies of wood etc... Same thing when he got interested in Gunsmithing, they started to carry lathes all dressed for that activity. But they don't specifically describe lutherie machinery, as they do with gunsmithing, and they aren't identifying the 10" for that purpose. There are other specialty users like bowyers.

These are examples of specialized products, were one knows they had a particular craft in mind:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/searchr ... mith&new=1
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