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I had my eye set on the 2 HP Bosch Colt variable speed, but I see that Porter cable has their 3/4 HP 7310 on sale for $60. What is the best value and easiest to use in your experience?

Ed

I'm going to try a Bosch Colt soon, I've been using the PC 7310 and it has been OK....by the way, I think the Colt has a 1hp motor not 2hp, though 1hp is fine.

Greg

I have the PC.

It's a fine machine in terms of power, build quality, etc.

My only complaint is the height adjuster. It's not very precise. You loosen the knob that holds the motor to the base which causes the motor to tilt slightly, then you turn a thumb wheel to raise & lower. There's a lot of backlash in the thumb wheel & I always get confused which way is up & down. After raising or lowering, you tighten the knob which causes the motor to tilt back to it's fixed position which essentially causes the height to change a little also.

Once it's adjusted & tightened, it's fine.

Kevin Looker

I have the PC 7301 & two Colts. Both have minor "issues". The collet on the PC won't release the bit without giving it a mighty whack with a mallet. And even then, I sometimes had to grip the bit shaft with vise grips & twist it to get it out. Annoying...

as most of my jigs are referenced for the 7310, it would be hard to change now ....

Daniel Minard wrote:

I had the same problem with the collet on mine. A drop of 3 in 1 oil fixed it.

Kevin Looker

Author:	Ed Haney [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:31 pm ]
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I had my eye set on the 1 HP Bosch Colt variable speed, but I see that Porter cable has their 3/4 HP 7310 on sale for $60. What is the best value and easiest to use in your experience? Ed

Author:	Laurent Brondel [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:44 pm ]
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I don't know the PC, but the Bosch is a great palm router. It is solid, relatively silent, height adjustement is precise & easy and the speed control comes handy. Compared to the DeWalt trimmers I also have, it is much better.

Author:	GregG [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:54 pm ]
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I'm going to try a Bosch Colt soon, I've been using the PC 7310 and it has been OK....by the way, I think the Colt has a 1hp motor not 2hp, though 1hp is fine. Greg

Author:	WudWerkr [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:59 pm ]
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I have always used p/cable and been very happy with them . I have never tried the Bosh , so i cannot give u an honest opinion on it .

Author:	Jeffrey L. Suits [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:11 pm ]
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Ed Haney wrote: I had my eye set on the 2 HP Bosch Colt variable speed, but I see that Porter cable has their 3/4 HP 7310 on sale for $60. What is the best value and easiest to use in your experience? Ed Funny you should ask--I gave my Colt a brutal workout yesterday, routing 3/8" lexan for templates, and was thinking about posting a kudos about this asskicking little router.

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Author:	John A [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:12 pm ]
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Take a serious look at the Rigid one as well - it has been getting great reviews, and although I have not tried any other brand - I have the Rigid and can't find much fault with it.

Author:	Kent Chasson [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:17 pm ]
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I had a PC 7310 that lasted more than 15 years. Was still going strong when I dropped it on the concrete floor and broke the housing. Replaced it with a Colt and the bearings went out a month after the warranty expired. Although I did just buy another PC 690 LR on sale and it looks possible that the PC quality may have gone down a bit. The threads on the collet were a bit rough. I've barely used it so I can't really say other than it works fine and has no noticeable runout.

Author:	klooker [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:18 pm ]
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I have the PC. It's a fine machine in terms of power, build quality, etc. My only complaint is the height adjuster. It's not very precise. You loosen the knob that holds the motor to the base which causes the motor to tilt slightly, then you turn a thumb wheel to raise & lower. There's a lot of backlash in the thumb wheel & I always get confused which way is up & down. After raising or lowering, you tighten the knob which causes the motor to tilt back to it's fixed position which essentially causes the height to change a little also. Once it's adjusted & tightened, it's fine. Kevin Looker

Author:	Ed Haney [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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GregG wrote: I'm going to try a Bosch Colt soon, I've been using the PC 7310 and it has been OK....by the way, I think the Colt has a 1hp motor not 2hp, though 1hp is fine. Greg Your are right. My typo. My fingers have not adjusted to my phone's small keyboard. It's 1 hp

Author:	matt jacobs [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:32 pm ]
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Hi Ed, I have the Bosch Colt, you're more than welcome to drop by and try it out.

Author:	letseatpaste [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:33 pm ]
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klooker wrote: I have the PC. It's a fine machine in terms of power, build quality, etc. My only complaint is the height adjuster. It's not very precise. You loosen the knob that holds the motor to the base which causes the motor to tilt slightly, then you turn a thumb wheel to raise & lower. There's a lot of backlash in the thumb wheel & I always get confused which way is up & down. After raising or lowering, you tighten the knob which causes the motor to tilt back to it's fixed position which essentially causes the height to change a little also. Once it's adjusted & tightened, it's fine. Kevin Looker My experience is the same with the 7310. I use it in a Luthiertool binding jig. You can actually make pretty fine adjustments with the thumbwheel thing, but it doesn't feel like it when there's so much slop when you loosen the bolt. So there's a good amount of trial and error, but you can zero in pretty close if you're going for a specific depth. If I were in the market, I think I'd be looking at the new Dewalt mini-router that just came out (can't remember the model name off the top of my head). I've been very pleased with my full-sized Dewalt 618.

Author:	Edward Taylor [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:39 pm ]
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Any good places to buy a colt, or are the prices pretty much the same everywhere?

Author:	fingerstyle1978 [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:57 pm ]
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I love my Bosch Colt. Multiple speeds and sloww startup. You can get them cheap (reconditioned) from CPO outlets. $89.99 http://www.cpotools.com/factory-reconditioned-bosch-pr20evsk-rt-colt-variable-speed-palm-router-kit/bshrpr20evsk-rt,default,pd.html?start=1&cgid=bosch-reconditioned-routers I've had mine for about a year with no trouble.

Author:	Daniel Minard [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:57 pm ]
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I have the PC 7301 & two Colts. Both have minor "issues". The collet on the PC won't release the bit without giving it a mighty whack with a mallet. And even then, I sometimes had to grip the bit shaft with vise grips & twist it to get it out. Annoying... After 5 years of occasional use, the lower bearing blew out, just as I was doing the final cut on a purfling ledge. I find the Colt friendlier to use. The grip is comfortable, the collet is very nice, but the bit doesn't centre well after height adjustment. (This is true with both of my Colts) I was using the Colt quite a bit this weekend & found that by pushing the base hard against the body before snapping the lock lever, the bit centred a lot better. I want one more trimmer & I'm going to give the Ridgid unit a try. The nearest Home Dept is a ferry ride away & the last two times I was there, they were out of stock... Grrr.

Author:	Ed Haney [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:59 pm ]
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Thanks much to all for the helpful replys. With the Colt's soft start, extra HP, more stable height adjustment, and (some models) variable speed; it sounds like it has the edge over the PC for me. The regular Amazon price for the PC is about $78 while the varable speed Colt is about $100 (including straight edge attachement and case). The PC is $60 + tax = $65 sale price at Rockler this Friday for those interested. Appears to be a good deal. Ed

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Author:	Mike OMelia [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:32 pm ]
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Can these bearings be swapped out? Maybe wise to do so? I like my Colt and would like two more. (Several job specific bases have been made for it). I would love to keep the one on the binding machine in place. Mike

Author:	Edward Taylor [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:36 pm ]
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Is this the Ridgid trimmer you guys are talking about, or the smaller one? Looks pretty good, and comes with an adjustable bearing.

Author:	Mike OMelia [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:55 pm ]
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http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWP611-Tor ... 571&sr=1-1 $139 (porter cable makes one just like it, but no speed control, $129) I really like the depth adjustment ring. I may get one of these and try it out. This is a new tool. Mike

Author:	TonyKarol [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:22 pm ]
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I have 7 PC 7310s, first couple are approaching ten years old .. number of issues with I have with any of them .. NONE. I use them interchangably (is that a word?) .. I keep different bits in each motor, then just swap bases as bits required .. 2 of them are strictly for ledges, in binding jigs - keep one set for binding ledges, one for purf ... always at the ready. Even bought an extra base to permanently be in my Karol circle cutter. as most of my jigs are referenced for the 7310, it would be hard to change now ....

Author:	klooker [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:41 pm ]
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Daniel Minard wrote: I have the PC 7301 & two Colts. Both have minor "issues". The collet on the PC won't release the bit without giving it a mighty whack with a mallet. And even then, I sometimes had to grip the bit shaft with vise grips & twist it to get it out. Annoying... I had the same problem with the collet on mine. A drop of 3 in 1 oil fixed it. Kevin Looker

Author:	Mike OMelia [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:53 pm ]
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TonyKarol wrote: as most of my jigs are referenced for the 7310, it would be hard to change now .... I hear that... one good reason to stick with what works for you 7 ?? And I thought I was going deepend considering 3! Mike

Author:	Mike OMelia [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:54 pm ]
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klooker wrote: Daniel Minard wrote: I have the PC 7301 & two Colts. Both have minor "issues". The collet on the PC won't release the bit without giving it a mighty whack with a mallet. And even then, I sometimes had to grip the bit shaft with vise grips & twist it to get it out. Annoying... I had the same problem with the collet on mine. A drop of 3 in 1 oil fixed it. Kevin Looker I have the same issue (as do many other Colt users), thanks for the tip. Mike

Author:	RustySP [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:40 pm ]
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Here's the new Dewalt DWP611 mini router: http://www.dewalt.com/tools/woodworking ... wp611.aspx

Author:	weslewis [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:54 pm ]
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Rigid!!

Author:	Daniel Minard [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:14 pm ]
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Good luck with oiling the PC collet. Didn't work on mine. Even lithium grease didn't help. I hope you have better results. Could be mine was particularly stubborn, but it kinda turned me off the otherwise great little tool. I WAS a lot better after I (gently) lapped the collet cone with some fine lapping compound. The mating surfaces were quite rough.