Does anybody add extensions to the saw table for three foot side length. The table on mine seems rather small.
Bob
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| Author: | Edward Taylor [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
I think I am going to knock one of these together this week. Any tips? Height? Is 3/4" plywood for the fence with braces sufficient? Pics would be appreciated too. |
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| Author: | Alain Moisan [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
If there is one tip I can give you about a resaw fence, don't make it flat, but rather radiused. Something like this (not my picture): Attachment: KregBndSawFence.jpg Draw a line on your board and follow it. Your blade will want to slightly wonder left or right and with such a fence, you can correct the direction. I used to have a flat fence, thinking the blade would always go strait, but I've lost a considerable amount of very good back & side material this way. |
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| Author: | banjopicks [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
+1 I have that exact fence and that is my preferred method. The other way is to fussy. I suppose if you have a saw dedicated to re-sawing it might be a different story. |
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| Author: | Edward Taylor [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I am looking to make one like Todd has pictured though. My 16" laguna has no issues cutting straight. The aluminum rip fence provided with the saw has been surprisingly good for resawing at only about 4" in height, but I don't have the nerve to try cutting expensive guitar billets with it. Funny, the first thing I want to saw is bubinga and down to about that thickness too. |
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| Author: | NWflyonly [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Todd Stock wrote: Not a fan of point or radius fences when it comes to resawing guitar-thickness wood. Did it for years with both low and high versions and prefer a flat fence that squares to the blade vertically and can be set for any drift that a carbon or HHS blade might exhibit due to damage or incorrect track...easy to make with scrap 3/4" ply. FWIW, the fences that come stock with most saws are too low and too difficult to square with the blade. I support at least to the blade in length and above the work in height. Here's a shot of a Delta 14" peeling off .110 bubinga slices about 9.5" wide. Once that Delta is tuned up, it's pretty decent...just keep cutting. I use the same approach as Todd it's worked well for me. |
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| Author: | NWflyonly [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Todd Stock wrote: Not a fan of point or radius fences when it comes to resawing guitar-thickness wood. Did it for years with both low and high versions and prefer a flat fence that squares to the blade vertically and can be set for any drift that a carbon or HHS blade might exhibit due to damage or incorrect track...easy to make with scrap 3/4" ply. FWIW, the fences that come stock with most saws are too low and too difficult to square with the blade. I support at least to the blade in length and above the work in height. Here's a shot of a Delta 14" peeling off .110 bubinga slices about 9.5" wide. Once that Delta is tuned up, it's pretty decent...just keep cutting. I use the same approach as Todd it's worked well for me. |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
I saw the old bit of wood. My fence is high and long. Made from plywood on one resaw and from UMHW over plywood on the other. Works great. |
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| Author: | unkabob [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Does anybody add extensions to the saw table for three foot side length. The table on mine seems rather small. Bob
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| Author: | Doug Powdrell [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Still practicing on techniques...I used the idea (OLF sniggly?) to cut a rebate at the base corner to keep shavings away....I am using a plywood fence, maybe 18" long x 10" high (ditched the metal dowel from Rikon). Having reasonable success....but need more practice. Drift is important and , I think, unique to each saw/blade configuration. Remember, practice makes better!!!!  Practice on softer woods and work your way up. |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Ed, Here are a couple of pictures of fences I have on two of my saws. My third resaw is not configured yet. I always leave these fences slightly off the table so sawdust and other bits of wood will slide under and not hold the sawn board away from the fence. First a couple of the plywood auxiliary fence. I have sawn thousands (no exaggeration!) of sets of spruce,cedar and various hardwoods with this fence over the past 8 years and it is still going strong. Attachment: fence.jpg Attachment: Ply 1.jpg Attachment: Ply 2.jpg And here is the UHMW added to plywood fence. Very flat and very slippery. Attachment: Open front.jpg Attachment: Closed.jpg In both of these cases I have attached these fences to the short fences that are attached to the saws. In the first the auxiliary fence simply sits over the factory fence and then two clamps are placed once the correct distance from the blade has been established. On the second one the auxiliary fence is bolted to the factory fence as the saw is set up specifically for sawing backs and sides and other veneers. Hope this helps a bit... Shane |
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| Author: | Andy Birko [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
We probably ought to have a sticky for this thread as this topic comes up about every 3 months! I too am not a fan of the point fence - one slip up and you're screwed. Here's my simple fence. Note that I mounted the fence part sits on top of the base creating the rebate to allow somewhere for sawdust to go. A pressure apparatus would be nice too. BTW, I don't use that blade to re-saw, usually a 1/2" blade. It was just on the saw when I took the pics. |
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| Author: | Tom West [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Todd: How much H.P. on the 14" Delta....??? Tom |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Filippo Morelli wrote: I would observe that the UHMW is helpful because of the pressure apparatus you have? Not sure if this solves any issues for those hand poking those slabs through the saw  … I've seen you post this rig before, Shane … it's cool!Filippo Hey Filippo, My plywood fence is VERY smooth now after several thousand boards have "sanded" it into a very fine surface and everything slides nice. Having said that the UHMW fence is WAY smoother and the 1" thick stuff I put on there is very flat and and WAT slicker. I bought it from the offcut pile at plastic supply place for like $20 or $30 and would do it again for any fence I made. Is it required? No, there are many examples of plywood fences that work just fine. Is it better. In my opinion it certainly is, it is fatter and much less resistant which will make your cuts smoother and cleaner. That's my experience and that is all I have to go on!  Shane |
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| Author: | unkabob [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Would malamine covered particleboard be a light-duty equivilent? Bob
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| Author: | Alain Moisan [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
I would like to mention that based on the info gathered on this thread (plus a PM to Todd), I will definitly try the flat fence once more. I'll get myself a better blade than what I currently use and will setup my bandsaw better (I read a little on that also). If I can get myself some 1/8'' slice or so, I'll be a happier man! Thanks for the info everyone! |
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| Author: | dunwell [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
westca wrote: Todd: How much H.P. on the 14" Delta....??? Tom Tom, mine was a 12" that I put a riser kit on. It came with a 1hp which was inadequate. I switched to a 2hp and that is quite good. I'd also suggest going to a thin kerf 3/4" stellite or carbide blade, that makes a world of difference. I use a rig almost identical to Andy's, but it has melamine on the face of the ply for slickness. Shane, your rig looks just the one Michael Bashkin uses complete with the hydraulics, did you two consult together or is this a design from the web or ??? Alan D. |
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| Author: | Edward Taylor [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Andy Birko wrote: We probably ought to have a sticky for this thread as this topic comes up about every 3 months! Really? I must not be very good at searching because I came up with nothing in regards to home brew fences. That UHMW sure looks slick, going to look for some. Also a really good idea attaching it to the existing fence, so obvious but did not think of that. |
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| Author: | Andy Birko [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Edward Taylor wrote: Andy Birko wrote: We probably ought to have a sticky for this thread as this topic comes up about every 3 months! Really? I must not be very good at searching because I came up with nothing in regards to home brew fences. That UHMW sure looks slick, going to look for some. Also a really good idea attaching it to the existing fence, so obvious but did not think of that. Really, it does come up: viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=28291&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=resaw+fence There were a couple others I found but they weren't as detailed. (I wasn't trying to scold you or anything either). For those of us who didn't do the UHMW thing out of the gates, there's always this too: http://www.amazon.com/UHMW-Slick-Tape-P ... pd_cp_hi_0 After this thread, I may have to add this to mine. |
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| Author: | Michael.N. [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Not to worry about it. Lots of topics crop up time and time again. That's pretty impressive resawing from Todd, on a 14" Bandsaw cutting Bubinga - which can be a pretty hard wood. Just shows what can be achieved with these medium machines. We used to see those Delta Bandsaws (or their clones) here in the UK - that's if it's the one with the riser block. They seem to have gone out of fashion. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Todd's is/was a rather souped up model, including a significant upgrade in the power plant. |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
dunwell wrote: westca wrote: Todd: How much H.P. on the 14" Delta....??? Tom Tom, mine was a 12" that I put a riser kit on. It came with a 1hp which was inadequate. I switched to a 2hp and that is quite good. I'd also suggest going to a thin kerf 3/4" stellite or carbide blade, that makes a world of difference. I use a rig almost identical to Andy's, but it has melamine on the face of the ply for slickness. Shane, your rig looks just the one Michael Bashkin uses complete with the hydraulics, did you two consult together or is this a design from the web or ??? Alan D. Hey Alan, The fences are all just "done" from my own experience of years of woodworking. The pneumatic holding system is actually adapted from one that Bruce Creps of Notable Woods made. My geometry is bit different than his but the function is similiar. Bruce did an article a couple of years ago in American Lutherie and then I called him and discussed further (we have discussed other stuff before this). There is thread somewhere on this forum of when I built this unit. Bashkin may have adapted his from the same source..??? But then again, there isn't much that is "new" even when it seems like a new invention. Michael N. It seems that older "Delta" style is indeed becoming more rare and that, I think, is because the newer (Hitachi has been doing it for over 30 years) welded frame saws are less expensive to produce (again I suspect) and because the welded frame saws can handle the higher tensions required for decent resawing. I think Todd is more expert than I on this but that is my take. I own two Hitachi re-saws (a 16" and a 24") one General re-saw (24") and 15" cast iron General bandsaw and a 14" Jet "Delta" clone that I have souped up with new rubber tires and much faster speed. I like them all for different purposes. I do not need help with TAS...really! Shane |
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| Author: | DaveHurd [ Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Everyone This thread inspired me to make my own fence. Up to now I have been using the stock fence that came with my MiniMax 16" bandsaw. I haven't tried the fence yet. When I do so I will update you. Dave |
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| Author: | Andy Birko [ Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Dave, Modify your UHMW part so that it's not exactly touching the table. You need to leave room for sawdust to go somewhere. Otherwise it looks good. |
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| Author: | Bobby M [ Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Edward Taylor wrote: Andy Birko wrote: We probably ought to have a sticky for this thread as this topic comes up about every 3 months! Really? I must not be very good at searching because I came up with nothing in regards to home brew fences. That UHMW sure looks slick, going to look for some. Also a really good idea attaching it to the existing fence, so obvious but did not think of that. Here's some. Just don't forget to offset the face of the UMHW from the plywood side/base to allow for a rabbet at the bottom to clear the shavings/dust. http://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Molecular-W ... =1-1-spell |
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| Author: | DaveHurd [ Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tips for homemade resaw fences? |
Andy Thanks for the tip. I will make the modification. Dave |
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