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| Author: | John Platko [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
I have a Fender that is odor challanged. One of the odors seems to be from the nitro off gassing- the guitar is about 13 years old and the chemical smell is still going strong. Can it really still be the nitro? I spray nitro and I am familiar with the off gassing cycle but I don't know what to make of this Fender finish. Anyone have any ideas? The other odor problem the guitar has is that the case it came with used hhg which seems to have gone rancid, besides the nitro smell parts of the guitar have a rancid smell too. I havn't been able to find a cleaner that will get rid of the smell. Any ideas on what to do about the rancid smell? John |
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| Author: | GRAFTED_COATINGS [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Quite a few years ago, trying to figure out how to get the odor out of shoes/sneakers, I came across a "tip" on the internet. Using dryer sheets in the shoes for whatever reason helps take away the smell. (Did this at night time) If you were to try this in the guitar case, I would suggest you do it without the guitar in it as I dont know if a the chemical reaction with the finish might take place. my 2 cents... |
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| Author: | Chris Paulick [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
What's the pick guard made from? |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Chris Paulick wrote: What's the pick guard made from? Excellent call Chris. Cellulose? If the pick guard is decomposing, just get a new one. One other possibility is the case is the source. Not sure why. Maybe put the guitar in some other enclosure and see if the smell follows. There should be no outgassing due to the finish (volatiles, acetone etc). Interesting mystery... Plz keep us informed. |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
I thought Fender switched finishes in the 70's. Heating to 1500º F. or higher for an hour should get rid of the smell, in any case. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Howard Klepper wrote: I thought Fender switched finishes in the 70's. Heating to 1500º F. or higher for an hour should get rid of the smell, in any case. Oh man, you're on a roll tonigh ain'tcha... 
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| Author: | John Platko [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
The pickguard is plastic. It's one of the few areas of the guitar that doesn't smell. The guitar is a 97 custom shop model which still used nitro. Interestingly, the neck doesn't seem to smell, it's the body that has the various odors. The case is realy bad, it is most likely the source of the rancid smell. I was told that the case maker used hhg at the time and some of the cases "which weren't cured properily", whatever that means, went rancid if they then were in a damp place. The guitar has been out of the case for about a month this time. I;ve given it about 3 naphtha baths and used other cleaners and polishers. It gets better but never looses all of the smell. The fingerboard doesn't seem to smell bad though. Does nitro have some special ability to capture odors? Also, can you add things to nitro that result in it taking longer to outgas? John |
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| Author: | Bill Hodge [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Howard Klepper wrote: I thought Fender switched finishes in the 70's. Heating to 1500º F. or higher for an hour should get rid of the smell, in any case. Now THAT was funny, I don't care who you are!!! 
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| Author: | Bailey [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Depends on how long you've been sniffing it,  Kent |
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| Author: | John Platko [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Howard Klepper wrote: I thought Fender switched finishes in the 70's. Heating to 1500º F. or higher for an hour should get rid of the smell, in any case. Ok, I'll give it a go. I hope I don't burn my house down. John |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
You should construct your Kiln outside! 
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| Author: | John Platko [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
WaddyThomson wrote: You should construct your Kiln outside! No need to build a kiln, I have an older home that has a built in incenerator! I've always wanted to fire that puppy up. It's a gas incenerator, I'm thinking that if I use my shop vac to blow air into it I should be able to get the temp high enough. John |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
In that case, I hope there's enough Asbestos to protect you from the heat! ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up")
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| Author: | jfmckenna [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
John Platko wrote: I've always wanted to fire that puppy up. How could you be so cruel!
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| Author: | John Platko [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
jfmckenna wrote: John Platko wrote: I've always wanted to fire that puppy up. How could you be so cruel! At least I now understand why Jimi Hendrix lit up his strat... I'm at my wits' end with this guitar. I'm wondering if actually soaking the body in a container of naphtha would eliminate the odor and/or damage the guitar. Is there anything stronger than naphtha that might help? I hate to have to refinish the guitar but it may come down to that. John |
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| Author: | Stuart Gort [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Also take care that any support fixtures are not made of aluminum...which melts at around 1200-1300F. Imagine the irony of having removed the nitro smell only to discover your guitar broken on the kiln floor. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Good point! That would be a bummer! |
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| Author: | John Platko [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Zlurgh wrote: Also take care that any support fixtures are not made of aluminum...which melts at around 1200-1300F. Imagine the irony of having removed the nitro smell only to discover your guitar broken on the kiln floor. You mean, I have to build a fixture before doing this procedure? Who knew? I thought I could just wing this one by hand. But thanks, point taken. It's a good thing wood doesn't melt. John |
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| Author: | Stuart Gort [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
John Platko wrote: I thought I could just wing this one by hand. Shear genius! Why...of COURSE you can do it by hand! And you don't have to do it at 1500F like Klepper said. At 400F your nasal passages will sear and the issue of smelly nitro will then be moot. |
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| Author: | John Platko [ Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Zlurgh wrote: John Platko wrote: I thought I could just wing this one by hand. Shear genius! Why...of COURSE you can do it by hand! And you don't have to do it at 1500F like Klepper said. At 400F your nasal passages will sear and the issue of smelly nitro will then be moot. Well if 400F will do it then I'll just use the strat body as a rack for our Thanskgiving turkey and kill two birds with ... |
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| Author: | Chris Paulick [ Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Try spraying a coat of lacquer melt on it and let it hang. It will melt/soften the lacquer and maybe off gas the smell along with the lacquer melt. Might be a last attempt if you are really bothered by the smell and want to take the time of stripping all the hardware. Just a thought. |
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| Author: | nickton [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How long can it take for nitro to loose it's smell? |
Maybe you could use a flame thrower... Then cool it to -350F to cryogenically harden the wood. At that point you unfortunately might have a very small guitar, but at least it won't smell. ![[headinwall]](./images/smilies/headbangwalluf8.gif "Mad") ![[xx(]](./images/smilies/smiley11.gif "Dead")  
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