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| Author: | Darryl Young [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Collar Guides |
I've not used collar guides but needed a set to work with the jig I built to cut the tail graft cavity. Since I wanted to make progress over Memorial Day weekend, I looked locally and found a set of collar guides made by MilesCraft at Lowes. The set had a universal base and the collar guides twist and lock into the new base. It was all they had so I bought it......but I wondered how well the plastic collar guides would hold up. Turns out, they don't hold up. The side of the plastic collar guide chipped off and I cut a swath out of the edge of my new jig......which also cut the channel in my tail graft too wide. Luckily, it was roughly 1/16" or so.......salvageable, but too wide for my existing ivaroid tail graft. John Hall is getting me some Ivaroid material where I can make a new tail graft a little wider. So what collar guides do you use? What should I avoid? Should I go with a brass set (the way I'm leaning now). I have a Bosch 1613EVS router and a Porter Cable 310 trim router. |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
PC's are the industry std size (1 3/16) .. even Bosch makes a base adapter to accept PC guides on their stuff .... I have some PC steel guides, as well as a host of brass ones, both stock and custom milled to different diameters by a friend .... try Lee Valley or similar places, should be easy to get, about 40 bucks for full boxed set |
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| Author: | Kent Chasson [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
I've got the steel PC kind too and they have worked fine. Be aware though that this is not a precision tool. Unless your base is perfectly mounted, the bit will never end up perfectly centered in the collar. And on some routers, it can change every time you adjust the depth of cut. It's not a problem for most applications but it's good to be aware of. |
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| Author: | Rob Warren [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
Kent Chasson wrote: Be aware though that this is not a precision tool. Unless your base is perfectly mounted, the bit will never end up perfectly centered in the collar. And on some routers, it can change every time you adjust the depth of cut. It's not a problem for most applications but it's good to be aware of. Now you tell me Kent!  Learned that the hard way....
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| Author: | Terry Stowell [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
on pc 7310, make sure to tighten things up first. You'll mess your pants if you don't. |
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| Author: | Michael Smith [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
I use the Woodcraft ones also. I think they are called Green River or something like that. I'm sure they are made in China but the quality, fit and finish is pretty good. |
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| Author: | Bob Shanklin [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
I have been using a great set of brass Freud's for 25-30 years. They fit all my different brands of routers. Bob |
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| Author: | bluescreek [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsea ... uter+guide I have 2 of these and found them to work well. I don't often use HF stuff but this did the job |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
You may also want to see this thread I started about using guides: viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=27079&hilit=bushing+guide I also ordered this base plate, which came with a centering pin: http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/200485 ... g-Pin.aspx |
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| Author: | Robert Renick [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Collar Guides |
I used to do the dovetails for a cabinet shop using a PC dovetail jig and the collars, I like to use channel locks to snug up the collar, and then would run the router through the jig, turn it 180 degrees and run it back through, that seemed to deal with the out of center issue. Otherwise you can mark the router base and attempt to keep the router in the same orientation during the cut. I did find that I could get the collar to bit acceptably close to centered with a bit of attention. Rob |
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