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| Author: | jlneng [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Binding ideas for classical |
Hello all, I am putting together my materials list for a new classical build with a spruce top, cocobolo B&S, Spanish Cedar Neck, EIR Bridge and headplate, and ebony fingerboard. I was thinking about EIR for the binding. The guitar will be french polished. Anyone have any alternate binding suggestions? Thanks! John |
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| Author: | DennisK [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Hmm, I'd say something with a color between the spruce and coco for the main binding. Maybe non-curly koa with maple strip side purfling and back purfling, and some kind of marquetry purfling for the top. Purpleheart might look pretty nice too. |
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| Author: | Stephen Boone [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
I would use the EIR myself. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
EIR could be good. Wenge would be good, also Goncalo Alves. I'm planning to use Australian Lacewood on the Coco guitar I'm building right now. Curley Maple could look good on a Coco guitar. |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Ebony, cocobolo, or curly maple/koa/cherry/boxwood would be my first choices. Very dark EIR, a distant 4th. Why EIR headplate and bridge? Use cocobolo as well, or ebony headplate and very dark Brazilian/Bois de rose/African blackwood bridge. There is smth about EIR that doesn't mix that well with coco or Madrose in my head. I also don't like cedar tops with maple B&S, or bloodwood binding on EIR B&S! 
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| Author: | Gary L [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Here's an example of spruce and dark cocobolo with EIR bindings. |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Well this one matches perfectly! |
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| Author: | jlneng [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Gary L wrote: Here's an example of spruce and dark cocobolo with EIR bindings. Thanks Gary, great picture. The EIR binding has alot of red tone in it . Did you pore fill with Z-poxy? |
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| Author: | jlneng [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Alexandru Marian wrote: Ebony, cocobolo, or curly maple/koa/cherry/boxwood would be my first choices. Very dark EIR, a distant 4th. Why EIR headplate and bridge? Use cocobolo as well, or ebony headplate and very dark Brazilian/Bois de rose/African blackwood bridge. There is smth about EIR that doesn't mix that well with coco or Madrose in my head. I also don't like cedar tops with maple B&S, or bloodwood binding on EIR B&S! Hello Alexandru, I recently finished a flamenco with Bloodwood binding, and EIR B&S. I agree with you. I was less than thrilled with the end result but the owner really likes it so in the end it worked out. The cocobolo classical will be for me so I really want something that looks classy. If I had access to some BRW I would go that route with the binding,bridge&headplate. I am sticking with the EIR bridge because of sound quality. I have never made a guitar with anything but a EIR bridge, and have been very happy with the sounds. John |
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| Author: | Gary L [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Yes, filled with Z-poxy, but sanded all the way back so that only the pores are filled. |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
My problem is that I have this notion "Indian RW = purple" stuck in my head and it triggers an alarm when it comes close to anything reddish warm. In reality that purple is often tamed by the finish, and not all Indian is purple. It really depends on the actual pieces, as shown by Gary's guitar which is a great match. I guess I should have said pick coco or ebony just because it gives a greater chance for a good match when buying unseen. I have seen several coco guitar bound in ebony and I liked it, as a result first time I used a reddish Madagascar i used ebony and I was pleased. Gives good contrast without being in your face. I used some very dark Indian for this Indian guitar and now that i think again I'm sure it would work OK a coco body too. It also happens to have a ton of bloodwood in the rosette and purfling, just that it is turned into near brown by the dark finish: http://chitareconcert.wordpress.com/201 ... h-session/ |
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| Author: | Gary L [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Here's one in spruce and cocobolo with ebony bindings. |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Very nice indeed Gary........... looking forward to seeing you in Austin for the June GFA. My feeling about bindings in general is that they should either contrast sharply with the back and side wood or match closely wherein what you see prominently are the purfling lines which then pick up the form of the guitar. If the bindings are different by only a small degree in color or contrast, the overall effect I think is lessened, especially if both are made from figured woods. I think the form of the guitar is what should always be highlighted. Brazilian Rosewood against Spanish Cypress Attachment: #90Resizeback.jpg Soft Flame Maple against Brazilian Rosewood Attachment: LaPlante#92-002.jpg E.I. Rosewood against E.I. Rosewood Maple purflings Attachment: LaPlante#95finish.jpg
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| Author: | jlneng [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Gary L wrote: Here's one in spruce and cocobolo with ebony bindings. WoW Gary, Great looking piece of work!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | jlneng [ Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Binding ideas for classical |
Thanks David, I am overwhelmed by the variety and craftsmanship shown here. I guess that I really need to wait until I get the cocobol, if it has orange tones, I might go eith EIR, if a dark piece I think EBony with some contrasting purfling to highlight the difference. I usually use a BW or BWB purfling. This time maybe some color will be in order, Red/Maple/Red. Thanks for everyones thoughtful responses. JN |
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