Todd, nice review. Now take that fence off and get a Driftmaster! Everything will be perfect then.
So, how does that fence adjust for drift?
Mike
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| Author: | mnemotorsports [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Thank for the review. I was waiting to see for the 14 to go on sale for 700.00. When I was in NC last week they had the 18 for 999.00 plus they were offering 10% off. $900.00 for the 18 rikon not bad. I have to call woodcraft in PA to see if they have the same deal going on. I know some guys on olf did some basic mods to their 10-325. Did you do any to yours. |
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| Author: | Chris aka Sniggly [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
If I can get a contractor to pay me on time (which almost never happens)...I'm buying that saw. Todd were you able to get the extra 10% off the 999? I was told it's either or at this store. Chris |
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| Author: | JJ Donohue [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Nice technical review, as usual, Todd. I'll be looking forward to the real test when you do your resawing trials. Even more impressive is the fact that you moved it by yourself. Looks like Chris sneaked back to Europe just in time! By the time he returns, all the bugs will be worked out and he can resaw without worry...smart move indeed, Chris! |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Todd, nice review. Now take that fence off and get a Driftmaster! Everything will be perfect then. So, how does that fence adjust for drift? Mike |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Not to rehash another thread's argument, but I agree that you can adjust a good shopmade fence for accuracy. Its the indexing that is so amazing. Todd, you could use your basic shop fence as it is, install 2-4 linear bearings, make a second fence face, install 2-4 precision ground shafts (like legs on a table), then use a threaded shaft (with crank handle) to "push" the fence out (like that on a vice). You would need a way to lock it. This is just brainstorming, getting the ball rolling. Back to the main topic... Mike |
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| Author: | Erik Hauri [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Hey that's my saw! Got the floor model a few years ago at the Harrisburg PA Woodcraft, $900 out the door along with a mobile base. Brought it home laid down in the back of a Ford Explorer! ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up") I really like it a lot. It handles a 1" Woodmaster CT no problem. |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Todd Stock wrote: Working on shopmade indexable fence for resaw...with quick drift correction. The tough part is on-the-fly correction while maintaining the fence setting. Todd, what do you mean by "on-the-fly correction"? Are you referring to indexing the fence over to create another slice? Or something else? |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Since the thickness of the cut is determined by the distance from the center of the fence to the blade, what you would want to do is pivot the fence about that axis. Think about how a "resaw bar" works. Also, blade width matters (I think). So, imagine your baseline shop-made fence, then attaching a second fence face to that with some kind of hinge mechanism (vertical center to vertical center). Then, some kind of adjustment screw thing that can tilt it out and in as needed for drift adjustment. As long as the vertical axis of tilt in the fence mechanism remains colinear with the blade, you should be able to maintain thickness as you go and adjust for drift anomolies. A driftmaster cannot do this since the axis of fence rotation is on one end of the fence. (edit: but the mechanism I mentioned above could be attached to the driftmaster) Mike |
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| Author: | SteveSmith [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Filippo Morelli wrote: How are you brushed up on your control theory and fuzzy logic, Todd? (maybe we could borrow some software and brain power from your boys working on the aircraft schtuff ... it's in the zip code of problem, just with some low level hardware in play). There is hardware we can probably leverage for this out of the box, a few stepper motors, sensors. Since we are here, we might as well go completely closed loop, auto feed, sensors on saw load ... then wood can resaw itself. If we drop everything we are doing and get on the job now, we should have it working smoothly by the time Chris gets back from Rotterdam. I think the boy is looking to do some serious resawing, and this would be the cat's meow  Filippo Ya gotta quit that Filippo, sounds just like work. Next thing you know marketing will want to pick colors and make it more sexy looking, manufacturing will claim your design can't be built and the boss will just complain about the schedule. Arrrrrrgh ![[uncle]](./images/smilies/surrenderflagqv6.gif "Uncle")
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| Author: | Chris aka Sniggly [ Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
I ordered mine from Woodcraft today...can't wait. Chris |
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| Author: | mnemotorsports [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Chris aka Sniggly wrote: I ordered mine from Woodcraft today...can't wait. Chris Did you get it for 999.00 or did you get the extra 10% off. I have not called yet. |
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| Author: | SteveSmith [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
I stopped by Woodcraft to pick up a few things and wanted to get a look at the 18" Rikon but they didn't have any in stock 
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| Author: | Chris aka Sniggly [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Can't combine offers...so no extra 10%. |
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| Author: | KHageman [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Todd, Thanks for the technical information. Just wondering, with the proper blade, how it handles cocobolo or ziricote, etc. Thanks Ken |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Pretty good odds that they aren't getting a lot of traffic, anyway! |
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| Author: | Erik Hauri [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
KHageman wrote: Todd, Thanks for the technical information. Just wondering, with the proper blade, how it handles cocobolo or ziricote, etc. Thanks Ken I have resawn 10" wide ziricote and 9" wide cocobolo - and 9" wide bloodwood - with no issues whatsoever. 1" wide Woodmaster CT. |
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| Author: | mnemotorsports [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
let us know how the resaw goes. |
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| Author: | Terry Stowell [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rikon 18 Band Saw Mini-Review |
Hey Todd, Congrats! I reckon Mary at Woodcraft knows you well. She was my boss, as I worked at WC last winter in the Harrisburg store. Wish I'd have bought the Saw Stop & the 18" Rikon saw. Money was too tight I have been thinking about re-sawing some free lumber I got last year ( mostly H. Mahogany, EIRW, walnut, maple). Kicked around the idea of the 14" vs the 18". Nice to know the disassembled weight too. Thanks. Hope to catch up with you soon. Let me know what your schedule is like or if you have any get togethers with other luthiers. Fillippo, etc. |
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