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Author:  Dalester [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  "Revolutionary Guitar design" 3rd VID - DRY w/no singing.

Many of you have asked for a video of the guitar on its own,
without EQ or FX, or Singing...

I did this quick little demo of some picking on it...

my fretwork is not good, and it actually frets out a few times, so its not the greatest,
but since you guys/gals asked for something, I figured raw and unpolished was ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMcA-XZbuM

Author:  Hesh [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:46 pm ]
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Sounds great and the sustain is forever too! To my ears she sounds balanced, loud, deep bass and sparkling highs. All good!

I miss that Springsteen/Dion like singing though. :D

Great sounding guitar!!! [:Y:]

Author:  Dalester [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Revolutionary Guitar design" 3rd VID - DRY w/no singing.

Thanks Hesh!!

Author:  MRS [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:14 pm ]
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It does sound good but not really any better then a standard well made acoustic guitar. I'm just be totally honest with you. I'm just not hearing anything that makes me want to say WOW i must build a guitar using this technique. I'm not trying to be disparaging. I just don't see the real advantage over this building technique compared to standard techniques...Mike

Author:  Rod True [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:04 pm ]
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I'm with Mike.

Author:  Haans [ Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:19 am ]
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Sounds nice, but those "tops" look really stressed. Looks like an archtop... eek

Author:  Mark Groza [ Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:50 am ]
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I agree with above posts.

Author:  Barry Daniels [ Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:20 am ]
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It would have been more useful if you did not play with a capo and you demonstrated what the bass sounds like. On this demo, it sounded a bit muted. But still a fairly good tone for your first.

I'm not quite seeing a benefit to the double body.

Author:  Corky Long [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:38 am ]
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Yes, I'd like to hear it without the capo too.

Nice sustain, and I'll bet the bass would be very resonant without the capo (it's quite good with it!)

How about some alternate tuning stuff - tuning the lower e string down?

Cool idea.

Author:  Dalester [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "Revolutionary Guitar design" 3rd VID - DRY w/no singing.

Corky Long wrote:
Yes, I'd like to hear it without the capo too.

Nice sustain, and I'll bet the bass would be very resonant without the capo (it's quite good with it!)

How about some alternate tuning stuff - tuning the lower e string down?

Cool idea.



I used the capo, because my fret work is not great to say the least..
and it "frets out" if I dont capo, and in my attempt to fix it, as you can see in the vid
it frets out lots all the way down on the 2 highest strings now,
which is in part why the video doesnt really sound good..
also, the only room i have to record in is a huge space, so I think that is really hurting the recording.
its not very true to life..

Author:  Dalester [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "Revolutionary Guitar design" 3rd VID - DRY w/no singing.

MRS wrote:
It does sound good but not really any better then a standard well made acoustic guitar. I'm just be totally honest with you. I'm just not hearing anything that makes me want to say WOW i must build a guitar using this technique. I'm not trying to be disparaging. I just don't see the real advantage over this building technique compared to standard techniques...Mike


yeah, i hear ya,
and this vid particularly doesnt showcase it very well,
but what I would like to point out...

even if it is hard to see the advantage to this over traditional "well built" guitar..
keep in mind.. this is not a well built guitar, so comparing them is not really the best idea....

this is basically the first of this basic design, so to be fair you have to imagine the guitar
and try to imagine how it would sound with a luthier build.. i.e. the
you know how you guys built the tops to be under pressure... well i didnt really
get that part, so i just built them as flat tops, so they are not under tension...
which is to say, if a luthier was to built this design, they could actually build each half
with the expertise they have as luthiers, to create that tension, and tonality...

this is like if someone built a dread, but just slapped some wood together and
said... hummm i wonder if this will work..

know what i mean?
i totally see what your saying, and im not trying to defend the design,
i just want you (forum members) to realize just how rudimental this proto is,
the fact that it even makes noise is a near miracle, so i think the fact that
it actually exhibits some positive qualities in sound.. (i.e. articulation, sustain warmth etc)
mean that the design shows some great potential..

but yeah, at this point its only potential,
which may never be realized.. and im not saying for sure that this design
is "better" than traditional designs, just that is seems to have some amazing potential,
which i would like to see realized in the hands of a few luthiers.

:-)

Author:  GregG [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:29 pm ]
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Dalester....you do have a great attitude about the whole thing, good luck to you!!

Cheers,

Author:  Lars Stahl [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:14 pm ]
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Just an idea. as you said In the hands of some luthiers. Why not take it to a really good luthier and let him have a look at it and as he has it in his hands he might be able to tell you right off what he think of your design ? . Dont know where you live, but ask here on the OLF if there are any luthiers nearby ? ..

Lars.

Author:  Jim Watts [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:46 pm ]
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I think the one thing that people should be able to take away from this thread is that for those of you who like to experiment, you should go for it. The instrument will always sound like a guitar.

As far the sound of this particular guitar/video I'm in the same boat as the others.

Author:  Rod True [ Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:40 pm ]
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One of the very hard things you will find is a luthier who is willing to do much of anything for you for little to no fee. Their time is precious and for them to commit to building you a guitar, based on your design will cost you probably double of what they would charge for a commision of their own design.

Coupled with the fact that you now have the cost of 2 guitars wrapped up into one for little precieved value (also it will be much heavier than a traditional guitar) and you have a very hard receipe for success.

If you're commited to the design don't give up, but don't expect it to be easy to sell to anyone. It's hard enough selling traditional guitars....

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