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| Author: | Pat Hawley [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Another Question on Rosettes |
From the previous thread on rosettes, I see that most people seem to use veneers to start off with to build their logs. This is what I did on the one rosette I have made. So I have wondered about the individual sticks sold by LMI. Starting with these would allow you to save a step of sawing off "columns" from the initial stacks of veneers. But I can also see that gluing up individual sticks could be a royal PITA. Thus my question: in your opinion is it easier to make a rosette starting off with individual sticks or with veneers? Thanks, Pat |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
Assuming we are speaking of mosaic style rosettes, where you have a repeated mosaic pattern I thought that glued up muli colored sticks stacked to creat the disired pattern then sliced into sections was the typical process. |
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| Author: | Pat Hawley [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
Yes we are talking about multi-coloured mosaic tiles but, based on past threads and all the instructions I've ever seen about making them, most people start with about one inch wide veneer strips, not individual sticks. Pat |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
I know some folks use sticks, but I think most glue up little logs or slabs of layers, then cut off strips which are then glued up into the logs with the design. I'm with Pat. I think trying to glue up all those tiny sticks would be a PITA. Maybe the way to do it is to glue up single layer slabs of sticks, like what you would cut off of a larger piece, then glue the slabs together in a similar manner. Still, it's a lot of tiny sticks. I can see glue everywhere! ![[headinwall]](./images/smilies/headbangwalluf8.gif "Mad") 
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
i guess I need to go back and read the previous postings. seems to me that cutting a bunch of tiny squares from veneer and then aranging them is way more labor intensive. Now if they are taking the veneer and stacking them and then slitting the stack into thin strips then they are still stacking sticks just creating wider sticks then reducing them and re aranging them. Some time or an othe ryou have to create the pattern and then slice it in to sections. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
Here is a really good tutorial on tile making. http://www.connorguitars.com/links_tips/rosettes.html |
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| Author: | WilliamS [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
If your just making one rosette then using individual sticks probably isn't much harder and would probably save a little time (you wouldn't have to wait for stacks to dry or saw and thickness planks). But I think starting from veneer/gluing up stacks, etc. makes getting things properly aligned easier and, if your making more than one rosette, definitely a lot faster. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
Boil it down you are still stacking sticks. You are just making up laminated colums. it takes a bit more pre planning but less assembly time. I can see how if you are repeating the same rosette it could be a real time saver. |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another Question on Rosettes |
Pat, I've done it both ways. The individual sticks are not too bad to work with. If you have Irving Sloane's book on classical guitar making, that's the method he shows. And really, there is something almost soothing about gluing them up as he shows. You just clear the deck and try not to think about how inefficient the process is, and you'll enjoy it. Now what IS hard is making those sticks yourself! I'm glad that LMI carries those. Steve |
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