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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Wood riddle |
I bought a Madagascar rosewood square and they accidentally sent me something else. From the color I guessed it should be South American before anything else. Very heavy, I hoped Honduras RW but it has pores, which I heard Honduras doesn't have. Scraped smell: definitely not a rosewood. It does have a noticeable sweet smell, pleasant, but very similar to how..average quality soap usually smells. I checked the sellers catalog and they have this thing called "pao violetto". They are in vacation now and I can't ask. What do you guys think about it? Google didn't help. Thanks! |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
I've found one association between pao violetto and Kingwood (dalbergia cearensis) while googling. What I have and some of the kingwood I've seen online are not much different. The tap tone seems nice, has that glassy ping (as far as a chunky square is able to sound). Scraped texture is fine and lustrous, superior to Indian Rosewood. But that soap smell, really nothing in common with the 6 other rosewood species I worked.  
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| Author: | Glen H [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Honduran Rosewood does have pores. |
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| Author: | jordan aceto [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Like Glen said, honduran can have pores, and can look a lot like your picture, so i wouldn't rule it out. Whatever it is it looks like it will make a nice sum'thin. |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
I currently am pretty sure it is brazilian kingwood. I bought it to cut some bridges out of it, but honestly hacking up such a nice large piece of wood doesn't attract me. I guess I don't have much future in the resawing industry  I also read kingwood can be quite irritant. The warning made cocobolo look like kid's stuff, but I didn't find any actual horror story yet. Seems to be often used for FB and bridges, there are some mentions here in older threads too. Any thoughts on this? |
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| Author: | Tom West [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Looks like Honduran to my ageing eyes. |
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| Author: | Mark A Thorpe [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
That looks like the Honduran that I have, it has pores and a nice pleasant smell when machining, almost a cinnamon smell. |
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| Author: | Mike Kroening [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Looks like Malagasy Rosewood to me. Not really a rosewood though, part of the tulipwood family. Just my guess? MK |
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| Author: | Marc [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
If it's glassy, heavy, and rings like a marimba bar, I would guess Honduras RW. |
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| Author: | Bill Hodge [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
I've got an idea, send it all to me for scientific testing in my shop.... er... um.... lab and I'll let you know the results in a few years. 
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Hard to tell really ... I have seen kingwood and honduran rw that look just like the pix ... |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
I believe it must be kingwood since the seller offers pao violetto (and some other Brazilian species too), but no Honduras RW.... |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Regarding kingwood's toxicity, here is that quote from http://bodd.cf.ac.uk/BotDermFolder/LEGU-4.html Dalbergia cearensis Ducke Kingwood, Bois de Violette, Violet Wood, Violetta According to Woods and Calnan (1976) citing Record and Hess (1943), Dalbergia cearensis is probably the "kingswood" that Freise (1932) called Machaerium violaceum Ducke. He described it as a very severe skin irritant, often leading to persistent ulceration. Reading "Machaerium" in there I have the feeling this is a confusion and that irritant kingwood must have been the notoriously toxic pao ferro (Machaerium scleroxylum) After some googling I really didn't find any actual dermatitis story with it so I guess it is not more harmful than the rest of the rosewoods, save coco. |
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| Author: | MRS [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Looks like Lithuanian Rosewood to my eyes. |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Looks like Honduras Rosewood or Granadillo to me. |
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| Author: | TonyFrancis [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
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| Author: | MRS [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
I wish they would just give this stuff original names. We all know stuff like this is not true woods they mimic so why not just give it its own name and leave it at that. A lot of this stuff is confusing. Why can't we be like what the french when it comes to ceratain food items. If its cheese and it doesn't come from the brie region then its plan old cheese. If its not from champagne then its good ol' sparkling wine.
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| Author: | the Padma [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
It is rather obvious that what you have there is a chunk of wood. No bout adout it. blessings the Padma |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood riddle |
Alex, it's most definitely Kingwood, I have built a couple of guitar from it, Madinter sells sets. I have not had any reaction to it. I ended up in hospital after sanding a Pau Ferro fingerboard! Colin |
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