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Author:  truckjohn [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:42 pm ]
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Hey all,

Doing Small Body Guitar #2 -- another Ditson style.
This one is going to be an Oakie -- Oak back and sides.

I have decided on Mahogany bindings and end graft....
and a Mahogany tile Rosette... but need some Opinions

1. Sapwood In
Attachment:
Oakie 3.JPG


2. Sapwood Out
Attachment:
Oakie 2.JPG


3. Alternating
Attachment:
Oakie 1.JPG


Tell me what you think?

Thanks

John
Author:  Stephen Boone [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:43 pm ]
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I vote alternating!!!!!!!
Author:  John Killin [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:38 pm ]
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I like the alternating, then the sap wood in.
Author:  Heath Blair [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:41 pm ]
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i also like the alternating. how wide is the rosette going to be? that might affect my answer.
Author:  peterm [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:52 pm ]
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I would go for the first one. A wide ring to showcase the gradient color. The alternating one looses the continuity IMO.
Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:04 pm ]
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Can you overlay the lines for the rosette's size, and where it falls on the wood tiles?
That will help us vote more intelligently.

Steve
Author:  truckjohn [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:30 am ]
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Here is a pic of the other one.
Attachment:
Ditson_build_136.JPG


The tiles are each 5/8" tall. I basically like the tile size on the small body. I will shift it out a smidge on this one so it isn't as close to the soundhole.

I will try to overlay the Rosette outline on my pics later tonight.

Thanks
Author:  SteveSmith [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:57 am ]
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If you are going to separate the pieces with purfling like your last then I like the alternating too.
Author:  Chuck [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:33 am ]
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My preference is for the alternating pattern.
Chuck
Author:  Tom West [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:37 am ]
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Alternating ,think black lines would give a nice contrast.
Author:  Zach Ehley [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:53 am ]
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Alternating
Author:  Bob Garrish [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:15 pm ]
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I'm with Steve, I can't tell unless you mask off 'the rest'. On instinct, I think the sapwood in would look most elegant.
Author:  jmpbuffalo [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:20 pm ]
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Of the pictures you've shown, I like the "sapwood in" best.

Joe
Author:  Corky Long [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:24 pm ]
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My vote is for alternating. Looks great.
Author:  mateo4x4 [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:39 pm ]
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I'm for alternating. Based on your pics, gives it a 'ripple' effect, not unlike flame in maple, etc.
Author:  Zach Ehley [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:54 pm ]
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Take a piece of paper and make a cutout of the rosette, then take some more pics. It may look very different only seeing the ring that will be left. The alternating may not look as cool then.
Author:  truckjohn [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:52 pm ]
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Ok... here's some overlays.

I think the idea of sapwood/heartwood in each tile isn't working out right -- the natural sapwood line isn't distinct enough. I think this would be a different discussion with Walnut. I will have to do some strategic cutting to make it work out correctly.... so it may not be in the cards.

I also think the idea of black purfling strips between tiles is a good one.

Alternating Light/Dark
Attachment:
Oakie Rosette 007.jpg


Alternating Sapwood
Attachment:
Oakie Rosette 006.jpg


Sapwood In
Attachment:
Oakie Rosette 003.jpg


Sapwood Out
Attachment:
Oakie Rosette 002.jpg


Tell me what you think

John
Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:18 pm ]
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John, that helps a great deal.
Nothing like seeing what you're going to see that really helps you to see. Or so they say...
Anyway, thoughts:
the "Alternating Sapwood", and the "Sapwood Out" have the misfortune of looking like the builder can't make grain lines meet each other. It looks a bit slapdash.
"Alternating Light/Dark" has some obvious purpose to it, but I'm not overly fond of pulsating block rosettes. That's just me...so take that with many grains of salt.
"Sapwood In" has an almost monochrome look, but with subtle darkening as the ring expands. This is my favorite of the four.

There's some stuff for ya.

Steve
Author:  douglas ingram [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:45 pm ]
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Sapwood in. Definitely. With the dark of the soundhole, it will give a good balance.
Author:  Zach Ehley [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:53 pm ]
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Im a fan of the Alternating Sapwood. Nice affect without being as harsh as the Alternating Light/Dark.
Author:  Robbie_McD [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:19 am ]
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Sapwood in - and thanks for the inspiration! [:Y:]
Author:  mateo4x4 [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:16 pm ]
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Yep...Sapwood in is first choice, Alternating second. [clap] Gonna look great!
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