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Author:  TonyFrancis [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:10 am ]
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Author:  David Newton [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:51 am ]
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I've seen pictures of that press before, what is it, a bookbinder's press?
I want one of those...
Author:  Bob Garrish [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:46 pm ]
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That's a great shot of real competence. The luthier's relaxed and smooth but he's also pretty fast.
Author:  Terence Kennedy [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:42 pm ]
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He's talking and joking while closing the box with hide glue. Amazing. Looks like he quickly goes over the whole thing a second time with hot glue to insure against gelling. Good idea! Thanks for the link Tony.
Terry
Author:  ChuckH [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:54 pm ]
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Nice!
Author:  Bill Hodge [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:09 pm ]
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Sweeeeeet!!! :D
Author:  TonyFrancis [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:58 pm ]
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Author:  Matt Bouchie [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:01 pm ]
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my favorite line:

"Can I ask a stupid question?"

"Of course, Willi, I know you can."

laughing6-hehe

Matt
Author:  JSDenvir [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:59 pm ]
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New guy question. Is it really necessary to move that quickly with hide glue?

Cause I ain't nearly that fast :-)

Thanks in advance

Steve
Author:  tommygoat [ Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:16 pm ]
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Those two guys are a riot! :P Just under two minutes open time.

Check out this Grizzly press: http://grizzly.com/products/Shop-Fox-Deluxe-Press-Clamp/H5510

edit ... and these too: http://grizzly.com/products/Veneer-Press-Clamp/H2597

Cheers Tom .
Author:  TonyFrancis [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:31 am ]
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Author:  JJ Donohue [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:00 am ]
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No need to use a brush as they show in the video. For 8 guitars I have applied a bead to the rims from a 2 oz. squeeze bottle in 15 seconds...far less time than he did it with his brush. I clamp the top on a Gobar deck and have everything completed in less than a minute. I use the standard issue 192 gram strength high clarity glue from Milligan & Higgins here in the USA.

But I don't take the time to converse like the dude in the video! laughing6-hehe Lately, I have been using Fish Glue for the tops and sides and can now hold a conversation for several minutes before having to mate the plates to the rims. I see no difference in the results between HHG and FG. Colin and others have reported similar observations.
Author:  Andy Birko [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:03 am ]
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Wow! I gotta change my technique. He was working at a very relaxed pace. On my last guitar, I think it took me about 1:30 to 1:45 from start to having all the go bars were in place or, about 30 to 45s to apply the glue and the rest to place the go bars. I was working way faster (and more stressfully) than he was.

On the bandura I'm building right now which has a longer perimeter (I think) than a guitar or at least, a larger area on which to apply glue, in spite of heating with a heat gun etc, I couldn't get the top down before at least part of the glue gelled. I can always tell where it gels because you can see a larger glue joint (It's also very obvious if you pull the top before the glue sets). I used a 2oz squeeze bottle with a needle attached to the top. I ended up giving up on the HHG for this build after two or three tries and went with the TB.

Perhaps a better plan would be to mix brush and squeeze bottle - use a brush on the large pin block area where a lot of glue has to be applied and grab the squeeze bottle for the rim.
Author:  David Newton [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:43 am ]
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I use cam clamps and work around a little at a time with a brush. Here's a pic of the completed job. You can see the blue tape around the top edge of the sides, that is to make clean-up easier, where I daub my brush up under the top and against the sides.
I estimate it takes about 15 minutes to go around. Speed is not critical this way, and I'm comfortable that I'm clamping up with hot glue.
Author:  Andy Birko [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:18 am ]
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Holey carp! 34 clamps!!
Author:  Bill Hodge [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:46 am ]
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Andy Birko wrote:
Holey carp! 34 clamps!!


Yep, and of the costly variety too. :o
Author:  Alexandru Marian [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:48 am ]
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I use maybe 60 gobars oops_sign gaah but some are for the braces which are attached to the rims first.
Author:  David Newton [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:05 am ]
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That is absolutely all my clamps, (oh, there are 3 stray ones) and you can see by the different colors, they were bought over a 30 year span. There are 12 cheapies in the mix, I wish I had spent the extra and bought the good ones.
Author:  Bill Hodge [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:19 am ]
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One thing you can never have too much of is clamps. :D
Author:  TonyFrancis [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:08 pm ]
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