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| Author: | RaymundH [ Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Vintage Toner |
Does anyone know how Martin Guitar achieves their vintage amber tops? (I was looking for a brand name and a technique) Thank you, Ray |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
If by vintage you mean the pre-war Martins, Shellac stained the tops. Early Martins were FP finished for quite some time. |
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| Author: | Jimmy Caldwell [ Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
RaymundH wrote: Does anyone know how Martin Guitar achieves their vintage amber tops? (I was looking for a brand name and a technique) Thank you, Ray Ray, I don't have any specific information on how Martin does it currently, but it's not difficult to do. Just mix a little amber tint (I use Stew-Mac's) in with your lacquer and spray as usual. Test various amounts of tint on a scrap before you spray the finished product to get the color like you want it. A very subtle tint doesn't take much. You can spray the entire guitar with the tinted lacquer and unless it's extremely light wood, it's unlikely you'll notice the tint on the back & sides. It might darken your purflings a little, particularly if you use bright white fiber, but I find the look very appealing. FWIW, virtually all of the 30's vintage Martins (The ones they're trying to replicate) were sprayed with clear nitrocellulose lacquer and acquired their "Vintage" look just like the rest of us. Too much exposure to mother nature. Good luck! |
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| Author: | DannyV [ Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
Jimmy, I just had a look at Stew Mac's and I guess the amber would be there yellow in the Colour Tone? Not that they can send it to Canada anyway. Thanks, Danny |
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| Author: | RaymundH [ Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
Thanks for the responses guys! I was just wondering what the "vintage toner" is they are currently usings in 2009. I will take your advice Jimmy and tint the nitro and spray as I normally do. Danny, if you are looking for dyes and such in Canada go here. I have bought from them in the past and they are easy to deal with. http://www.woodessence.com/ Thank you again! Ray |
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| Author: | jordan aceto [ Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
DannyV wrote: Jimmy, I just had a look at Stew Mac's and I guess the amber would be there yellow in the Colour Tone? Not that they can send it to Canada anyway. Thanks, Danny Not yellew, colortone vintage amber, part #5030. A little bit of amber in your finish is nice, so is shellac under lacquer. Waterbased lacquers especially benefit from the "warming up". |
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| Author: | David Newton [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
I regularly get requests to finish the top, and the whole guitar, to "look like it is 70 years old". I use the analine powder stains from LMII, specifically the amber and brown, mixed in my shellac for FP. Then at least a session of shellac with no stain after the desired tone is met, to seal over the color coats. |
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| Author: | Allen McFarlen [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
I use a drop or two of the Color Tone tinters. A little goes a very long way, so test before you spray. I've also just left an instrument next to a large window with the tropical sun coming through and it turned the spruce top a golden yellow in just about a week. Your UV rating may vary. 
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| Author: | Tai Fu [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
Stewmac dropped the "flammable! Ship by ground or within USA only" text on their colortone dyes, you can get it in Canada. I ordered their vintage amber as a test to see if customs will allow it, they seem to have opened the package for inspection but they let it in anyways. Just be aware that lacquer will yellow by itself if you dye it they might get too yellow as it ages. |
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| Author: | jordan aceto [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
I like to use Allens "suntan" trick too, some sun can really darken up wood in a nice way. I often leave instruments on a stand out in the yard to tan them, checking on them pretty often. If it is really sunny out, watch that the glue joints dont get too hot. |
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| Author: | jordan aceto [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
Thats the look! |
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| Author: | RaymundH [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
Todd that is exactly what I was looking for! Very nice indeed! I will be making a Martin 000-45 inspired 12 fret as seen here: http://www.carmelmusic.com/stocklist/index.html I took advantage of Kevin Ryans Zipflex special offer and will be also using Stew Mac's Golden Age restoration tuners, which are VERY close to the originals you see in the link. Thank again for the input! |
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| Author: | Jimmy Caldwell [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vintage Toner |
RaymundH wrote: I took advantage of Kevin Ryans Zipflex special offer and will be also using Stew Mac's Golden Age restoration tuners, which are VERY close to the originals you see in the link. Thank again for the input! Raymond, A much better match for your 000-45 would be Waverly #3500. The Restoration tuners, while functional, aren't a good match. Check Stew-Mac's website, they have some really good pics that will illustrate the differences. |
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