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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Wood binding question |
I will soon have to decide what to use for binding on my Cocobolo 000, I have used curly maple on the 1st 3 builds but I can not decide if it will look good on Cocobolo. I am looking for ideas on what wood will look best. Fred |
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| Author: | RaymundH [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Hey Fred, Curly Koa binding on Cocobolo looks awesome!http://mustapickguitars.com/db/3/index.php PS Don't know if you remember but we meet at John Hall's place last year...Went for Pizza with John and Brenda. |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
On the cocos I have built .. mostly ziricote, a couple in ebony, and on one coco. |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I would use coco as Tony suggested - make it look like it is dipped in beautiful coco. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Coco with a thin maple purfling line oozes class IMO. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Curly Eucalyptus. Looks very much like Curly Koa but a good bit less expensive. Another good choice in wood is Snakewood. A great choice over all is tortoise shell celluloid backed up with maple or white plastic. |
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| Author: | R W Goodman [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I vote for curly mahogany. I like koa too but the mahogany I got from Bob at RCTonewoods has a lot more curl than the koa I have been able to get. Warren. |
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| Author: | jmanter [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I'm using snakewood on my current coco build... Justin |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
If you must have maple, I am sure it will look nice, while as an alternative, I would use coco (darker is possible) or ebony. I've seen a number of Indian RW + maple guitars and it looked fine, and maple should should match coco even better imo. |
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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Quote: I'm using snakewood on my current coco build... I checked out snakewood on RC Tonewood site, it looks cool, have you a photo this on a guitar Justin Thanks guys we all must think in similar directions, I was thinking Koa or ebony myself, and if there would have been enough width on the side wood I would have used the off cuts as this looks great when the grain and color is matching on the binding and side. Thanks Fred |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I have a photo of Snakewood on Narra while the graining will be differnt the color would be close to Coco Attachment: 2006-006 end graft.jpg
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| Author: | Andy Zimmerman [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I love Ebony bindings....Looks great with cocobolo. Ebony just frames the guitar well without having woods clash |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Beautiful Andy my friend!
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| Author: | Mike Franks [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I've got to go with Ebony. Andy's guitar is stunning! Mike Franks www.mjfranksguitar.com |
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| Author: | Mike OMelia [ Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Michael, that snake is beautiful!!! I'm using some lacewood now... similar but not that dramatic. What about leopard wood? Does this need to be said? Remember to scrape and sand the sides BEFORE binding. I bet yu are wondering why I mentioned that? 
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| Author: | Todd Rose [ Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
This may be stating the obvious, but I would suggest thinking through the combinations of woods throughout the entire guitar - the B&S, top (esp if it's something with significant color like redwod or cedar), neck, bindings, headplates, rosette, FB and bridge, purfs, etc. I spend quite a bit of time thinking through many possibilities for each guitar, looking for beautiful combinations that harmonize well throughout. It's a fun puzzle. I don't start building until I've worked the whole thing out. Obviously, several of the choices may be dictated by the desired sound, but from there there are always many possibilities for the decorative elements that can tie everything together beautifully, or, on the other hand, create something that looks more like a mish-mash or a series of afterthoughts, or bling overkill. |
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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I have decided to go with ebony, is there anything I should be aware of when bending them, other than what is done in Robbie's video. Fred |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Fred bro I bend ebony in my Fox style bender and have no problems bending it. Just a light spritz with water, tape all four pieces together in the buddy system, wrap in craft paper and it bends fine. I bend it at .090 but I have read here that others have had problems bending it. I do bend it waiting very so slightly longer to start to get it hotter (I use a blanket and wait 30 seconds longer to start the bend). It is easier to bend thinner and easier to horse around the domes too when it's thinner. |
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| Author: | Jeremy Douglas [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I have a question. Assuming the ebony is solid black and pore filled can you tell a difference between it and black boltaron (plastic) under the finish? |
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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Jeremy I don't know if you can tell the difference at a quick glance, but real wood has a character that plastic tries to copy. Hesh thanks for your prompt reply, I probably will bend tomorrow. I have 2 guitars on the go at the same time so I work on the most interesting thing 1st and that will be binding. Fred |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Jeremy under finish and from a little distance black ebony binding can IMHO look like plastic. Upon close inspection you can see that they are wood - or VERY good plastic..... 
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I've used ebony (and it was a very black piece too) for a headplate and with a thin medium gloss shellac finish, it looked woody enough. But I knew it was wood. No need to pore-fill. Are you going to put a maple purfling on it? |
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| Author: | Arnt Rian [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Jeremy Douglas wrote: I have a question. Assuming the ebony is solid black and pore filled can you tell a difference between it and black boltaron (plastic) under the finish? It's difficult to tell the difference (unless your plastic binding is the type that shrinks and ulitmately comes lose in the waist area, then the difference is quite easy to tell...), that's why I like to use ebony with 'character' for bindings. I don't know if you can see it in this picture (upper bout, treble side), but the ebony binding on this coco guitar has lots of streaks which looks I think looks quite interesting up close. 
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| Author: | Jeremy Douglas [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
I actually have black boltaron binding and an ebony butt wedge. I can't tell the difference unless I shine a light directly onto them, then the plastic is slightly lighter in color. Arnt, I can't see the streaks but the guitar sure looks nice. |
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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wood binding question |
Arnt wrote Quote: I don't know if you can see it in this picture (upper bout, treble side), but the ebony binding on this coco guitar has lots of streaks which looks I think looks quite interesting up close. I like the color match on your neck in the photo, what stain did you use or is it natural and the photo makes it darker. Fred |
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