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Author:  Lars Stahl [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:59 pm ]
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Just a little sanding untill I am finished , taptone is great ! I tried to get back about the same taptone I had before bracing, and I feel I did that so I am pleased, was VERY nervous, was really afraid to carve away to much , since this is my first top, I cant really sau if i did or not, perhaps you guys can give me some hints and critique ! reading, reading readiing, before starting !! also watched John Mayes Exellent videos alot, so much of the bracing ideas are from him and ofcause from the really GREAT plan from Michael P.
the rosette got bound , I used mac both on the bound as on the wood for the rosette, I am thinking of using mac as freatboard aswell , any pro/cons on that ? and same might go for bridge, but then again I might use plain ebony for both, havent desided on that yet :) .
Please let me know what your thought are, good and bad. :oops:
Ps, click photo for better view.

Lars
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Author:  jack [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:04 pm ]
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Good looking rosette Lars;looks like nice work on the bracing too,
jack
Author:  old man [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:11 pm ]
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I really like your soundhole and rosette, Lars. Fine job. The bracing look good to me, also, Very neat workmanship.

Ron
Author:  SteveSmith [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:51 pm ]
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Lars, it looks good. I like the rosette with the bound soundhole - very nice. I am at about the same point on my first as well. Hopefully they will both come out sounding good!
Author:  Alain Desforges [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:19 pm ]
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Great looking rosette, Lars... Nice clean work as well!

Just a little note for further consideration, and I can't really complain since I did the exact same on no.1, but you might consider using a spruce splice to cap the X instead of another type of wood...
Author:  Lars Stahl [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:25 pm ]
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you might consider using a spruce splice to cap the X instead of another type of wood

Why ? does it give a better tone ? I have no clue ! just thought it lookt good, but it is easy to take off and change if important for tone etc.

Lars
Author:  Jim Kirby [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:35 am ]
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Lars - Great job on the rosette. I would probably have lined the rosette grain up 90 degrees to the top (or parallel), but that's just me. Overall, it looks really nice.
Author:  Lars Stahl [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:18 am ]
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Ron, Steve Alain, Jim, Thanks alot for the kind words. [:Y:]
Jim, I agree, I would have done that to, but I guess I was to quick seeing if i would make it, so I forgott to look at what direction I put it. But I would have wanted it that way to :oops: .
Here are 2 more shots of the bracing, as you can see the top is pretty thin :-)
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Author:  Chris Paulick [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:14 am ]
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Looking Sweet !
Author:  Pat Foster [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:26 am ]
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Fine work there, Lars!
Author:  Lars Stahl [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:11 am ]
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SO !! No critique ????? Please let me know what your thought are, good and bad.
Right now I am fixing with the neck and tailblock, any advice ?

are there anything to advice me on, bracing etc etc.
I really need to know that I am heading the right way !

lars
Author:  SteveCourtright [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:08 pm ]
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Lars, it does look good! No critique other than I love the rosette! I guarantee that it will sound like a guitar. Good work.
Author:  Lillian F-W [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:02 pm ]
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Lars the only issue I see with it is that it isn't attached to the rest of the body. But I'm new at this.
Author:  Lars Stahl [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:53 pm ]
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Thanks alot Steve. bliss

Good one lillian !! [:Y:] laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe laughing6-hehe

Lars.
Author:  Frei [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:30 pm ]
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Lars, looks like your in the groove!! [:Y:]
Author:  Rob Lak [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:57 am ]
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Lars - Still looks great!

I am thinking to use the soundhole plate (?) on mine but i haven't seen anyone eliminate the soundhole bracing before. All the pictures i have seen using this plate still used the braces. Can anyone comment on whether or not it's a good idea to eliminate those braces?
Author:  Frank Cousins [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:04 am ]
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Rob Lak wrote:
Lars - Still looks great!

I am thinking to use the soundhole plate (?) on mine but i haven't seen anyone eliminate the soundhole bracing before. All the pictures i have seen using this plate still used the braces. Can anyone comment on whether or not it's a good idea to eliminate those braces?


Hi

Am a newbie, but on my first two (still on number two), I also reinforced the soundhole and eliminated the soundhole braces, however, I also used a 'slipper' neck block that provided additional support under the top under the fingerboard extension. The whole thing is solid and stable and sounds darn good... would welcome others thought on this
Author:  Rob Lak [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:19 am ]
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Lars - Still looks great!

I am thinking to use the soundhole plate (?) on mine but i haven't seen anyone eliminate the soundhole bracing before. All the pictures i have seen using this plate still used the braces. Can anyone comment on whether or not it's a good idea to eliminate those braces?
Author:  Alexandru Marian [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:36 am ]
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If you must have some critique, then I would say that some of the brace terminations look a tad abrupt. Think smoothly rising hills, not office blocks beehive Don't shoot me now. Can't pick on the rosette. [:Y:]
Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:55 pm ]
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Lars,

If it were mine, I'd back the peaks up some more. (Carve more away).
I mean on the tone bars as well as the finger braces.
Move those peaks back away from the legs of the "X" and you'll open up the sound a bit more.
In other words, those peaks look abrupt, like they're rising too quickly from the X brace.
Think foothills, not Alps.

There's a thought for ya.

Oh, and I still love the rosette too.

Steve
Author:  Lars Stahl [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:20 pm ]
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Great info ! Thanks. I will look into it, my top is only .100 so therefor I am a bit nervous to carve away to much, but I will gently make it more a foothill or a rising hill then. Ill send a photo or later on.

And again , thanks you all for the wonderful words and kindness. [:Y:]

Lars.
Author:  Alain Moisan [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:43 pm ]
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Hi Lars.

First off, you made a great looking soundhole! Really neet looking!

Regarding your bracing, I would carve more as well. If it can reassure you, my tops are always .100" and my braces are way smaller than yours.

I modifed you bracing picture to give you an idea of what I would aim at if I were you.
Author:  Lars Stahl [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:53 pm ]
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Great Alain, I will fix that first thing tomorrow !! Ill post a photo and you can see if you think I am on the right track. Thanks alot ! . Also its been mentioned I dont have braced around the soundhole, I didnt think I needed that since of the reinforment I made around it, whats your take on this or anyone elses for that matter.
Again, thanks alot for taking the time with the photo Alain.

Sincerely Lars.
Author:  Eddie Lee [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:05 pm ]
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Lars,

Looks great! The rosette is very nice!

I am preparing to start my first guitar. What plans did you use?
Author:  Lars Stahl [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:12 pm ]
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Hi Eddie, and welcome here.
I used Michael Paine´s plans, use could a while back order them from in here at the tp of this page "library of plans, but my browser wont open it ! allthough you can also get them at Stew Mac here is a link to it http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Books,_plans/Plans.html the one I am working on is the SJ "small Jumbo model"

Ask away if you have any troubles. I warn you though, it is addictive.

Lars.
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