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Author: | James W B [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Filling Nut slots |
Strung one up two weekends ago.Everything turned out real good except the high E string is cut a little deep at the nut.It isn`t buzzing or anything,but I`m concerned it may at some point in time,seeing as I have set the relief at .005.I`m thinking fill the slot with bone dust and CA and re-cut.Or maybe dust and epoxy would be better? If I have to I can obviously re-do the entire nut.It`s just that I really like the looks of it ,it`s unbleached with some nice light tan coloring running thru it,and also the rest of the strings are set up the way I like them. Advice Please James |
Author: | Hesh [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
Hey Skin! I always make a new nut but others here have posted that they mix bone dust with the CA and fill and refile the slot. |
Author: | Chris Paulick [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
I say if it ain't broke then don't fix it. If it's setup and not buzzing then what's the problem. I've done the the dust and CA thing. |
Author: | James W B [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
You may be right Chris,I`m probably being anal.It`s just that I know it`s a tiny bit lower than it should be,maybe by about .004. Does seem a bit rediculous. James |
Author: | Alain Moisan [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
Hey James. I'm with Chris on this one. Chances are with time the neck will get more relief and therefore decrease the chance of buzzing. That said, if you want to fix it anyway, I'd suggest making a new nut, as Hesh mentioned. I've always had trouble with filling nut slot. It wears out faster than bone so you end up with your initial problem eventually anyway. Plus I find the strings don't slide as smooth in a filled slot. My 0.02$! |
Author: | Pat Foster [ Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
If you're going to keep it, do what suits you. If it's to be sold, then definitely do not fill it. If it plays without buzzing, I'd leave it. If it's .004" lower than the others and it isn't buzzing, then perhaps the others are higher than is needed. That's my two cents. Pat |
Author: | Ken Mitchell [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
James, Just another idea... the guitar will settle in over the first month or so of being strung up. The neck set and relief will change, the top will adjust to the tension, and all of this is working 'for' you, instead of against you at this point. Just play it and let it settle in and open up. You can always adjust or make a new nut next time you string up! Just my .02 I work cheap ![]() |
Author: | James W B [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
Thanks for the suggestions.I think for now I`m going to leave it and see what happens. James |
Author: | Todd Rose [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
Another option is to shim the nut. I really try to push my nut slots as low as possible for super-buttery playability. To me, the difference of a few thousandths is a lot. On one of my instruments (which was a prototype that I don't plan to sell) I cut one slot too low, and a couple others a hair lower than ideal. I haven't fixed it yet, but I'm thinking about applying a few-thousandths-thick layer of CA on the bottom of the nut (I might try StewMac's brush-on CA glue, or just otherwise smear a layer of medium CA on there). It would take a bit of sanding to level it, and maybe a couple applications, but I'm thinking I could make an invisible "shim" this way and raise the whole nut by just a few thou. The ultimate nut slot filler, which I just learned about from Frank Ford and Dan Erlewine at the latest GAL convention, is some stuff that dentists use for fillings. You need a special (expensive) high intensity light to cure it, but it cures hard as a tooth and can be colored to match the nut perfectly. One of these days, I'll invest in the set up to use that stuff. Dan says it's great for drop fills on modern finishes like polyester as well. |
Author: | Dave White [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
Todd Rose wrote: Another option is to shim the nut. I really try to push my nut slots as low as possible for super-buttery playability. To me, the difference of a few thousandths is a lot. On one of my instruments (which was a prototype that I don't plan to sell) I cut one slot too low, and a couple others a hair lower than ideal. I haven't fixed it yet, but I'm thinking about applying a few-thousandths-thick layer of CA on the bottom of the nut (I might try StewMac's brush-on CA glue, or just otherwise smear a layer of medium CA on there). It would take a bit of sanding to level it, and maybe a couple applications, but I'm thinking I could make an invisible "shim" this way and raise the whole nut by just a few thou. Todd, Duck double-sided tape does a similar thing if you are only a few thousandths away. |
Author: | Arnt Rian [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
My sister is a dentist, and years ago I had her rebuild my chipped Les Paul nut with that stuff. It worked, but making a new nut would have been be easier... For shimming a nut, I like to glue on a thin piece of bone to the bottom of it and then file it to fit. The glue ling will be invisible. Another option for rebuilding a single string slot is to square up the faulty slot, glue in a matching piece of bone, and then cut a new string slot in that. It will last longer than bone dust/ CA, even though that can work for a long time too. |
Author: | Todd Rose [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Filling Nut slots |
Arnt Rian wrote: My sister is a dentist, and years ago I had her rebuild my chipped Les Paul nut with that stuff. It worked, but making a new nut would have been be easier... I haven't used the stuff, but Frank and Dan's photos and discussion of using it to fill nut slots and other purposes made it appear pretty quick and easy. It sure seems like it could often save time over making a new nut. Then, there are the times when you're working with an original nut on a vintage instrument and you want to save that nut to keep the instrument as original as possible. Arnt Rian wrote: For shimming a nut, I like to glue on a thin piece of bone to the bottom of it and then file it to fit. The glue ling will be invisible. Another option for rebuilding a single string slot is to square up the faulty slot, glue in a matching piece of bone, and then cut a new string slot in that. It will last longer than bone dust/ CA, even though that can work for a long time too. I like both of those ideas. ![]() |
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