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| Author: | kburner1 [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | More beginner mistakes |
Yesterday turned out to be one of those days. Not only did I have my fiasco with the back bracing but later in the night I had placed my rosette in my redwood top, and after sanding it down flush I realized that I had hit an area in the top when sanding and got the top way too thin. Now the top is around .100 or thinner in that spot, and the the strength seems to be too weak from just bending by hand. Right now I am just planning on chalking it up to learning and ordering a new top from LMI. Then salvaging the rosette out of the old top and placing it the new top. I just thought I would run this by everyone and see if you thought there was any other reason to keep the top. I realize I could probably brace the top more heavily to compensate for the weak spot, but then the guitar would probably sound overbraced and stiff. Any comments? |
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| Author: | Alain Moisan [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
Man! Stop being so hard on yourself! And brace yourself, you are bound to do much dumber mistakes than the ones you have just made! Trust me, you will, we all did. My tops are never thicker than .100". So I say go ahead and keep this top. And don't overbrace or you will overbuilt it. |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
I don't know .100 is pretty thin for redwood and Kyle said that it feels pretty floppy in his hands. Remember too that the finish sanding is yet to be done which could result in losing another .005ish. |
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| Author: | kburner1 [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
Thats what I was worried about, it will get thinner yet with the final sanding. I was just making sure that I was thinking rightly before I ordered a new top and cut into the old one to save the rosette |
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| Author: | Alain Moisan [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
Oops! Redwood han? Indeed I don't know about redwood, never used it for a top. So I'll let others be conselors this time.. |
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| Author: | peterm [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
100 thou is too thin for a redwood top..... believe me. |
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| Author: | kburner1 [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
Thanks Todd I think that is exactly what I will do. |
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| Author: | Chris aka Sniggly [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
Kyle...I just completed my first build and managed to build almost every part of my guitar more than once. I can't tell you how much I learned from having to do those things over and over. Every piece of the build nearly has it's own science category. BTW...I consider myself to be a fairly accomplished woodworker (3rd generation). In short what I am getting at here is don't sweat the do-over's. Be happy you get them. Your next guitar will display for all too see just exactly what you learned on your first build. Chris |
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| Author: | Frei [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
You could brace the top and shave them down to where you think they go, thats a potential learning curve in itself. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
If you build with out mistakes then you never learn anything We have all been there and most of us still visit from time to time
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| Author: | John Hale [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
I did exactly what you did and over sanded around the rosette, Mike Collins said to carry on just thicken the bridge plate .010" and I made the sound hole braces beaffier, but this was in spruce. After help with the bracing I was told by several luthiers that it sounded and flexed about right. We'll find out when it's finished. I'd of carried on, but I've always said the first guitar will be done cheap as practice for the second. |
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| Author: | kburner1 [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
well I contacted Dave Maize and he is in the process of moving to a new shop so he won't be taking any orders for another few weeks. I think that I am gonna stick with another top from LMI for this guitar, and possibly get a hold of dave for the next build. Hopefully I can get the new top soon so I can get back out in the shop and have some fun. ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up")
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| Author: | kburner1 [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
WOOHOOO Dave just emailed me back and might be able to get me my order before he breaks down his table saw today. |
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| Author: | Steve Sollod [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: More beginner mistakes |
"The man that makes no mistakes seldom makes anything" |
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